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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #59 from previous page: June 21, 2012, 02:28:20 AM »
mm.. what kind of orrible psychopatic are amybay moderators:cool:. but how this can be interesting here, or intopic? truth is simply that amybay is a very good site as all we know, and every good site has its rules. but -always- someone wants to get smart, someone "clever" than other. Someone that usually at the end, in a forum as sometimes in the real life went banned for his stupidity. when this happen person can discuss his personal behaviour and change (subject with a chance to be better), or to whining and gossiping with other persons hoping to have their endorsement and so a momentary relief (subject with poor chance to be better, or other than stupid). this is my point of view, hope will be more interesting than previous out topic:)
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #60 on: June 21, 2012, 02:52:54 AM »
I have just returned to the Amiga scene in the last couple of months. The amibay admins have been great as far as I am concerned. I had a thread that started going off course and a moderator stepped in to keep it on track. So I just opened a new thread to discuss the issues that had gotten the original thread off track. Win/win right? So I don't really get all this negativity. And thanks to amiga.org moderators for giving us some space to discuss the current amibay problems.
 

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #61 on: June 21, 2012, 03:52:04 PM »
1&1 did a Debian Linux and Apache upgrade to their servers and in doing so, broke the php handling on their server, effectively knee-capping the site.

This is the message that came back today, after we lodged a support ticket with 1&1 earlier in the week to get the issue fixed...

"Our administrators have informed us that the current dedicated server you have,  UK Dedicated Managed Server Value 1 (2008/08), was actually never intended to have support for PHP. Apparently there was a stable bug in the image design that allowed for PHP to be run, but however now that the debian upgrade has been performed the 'Value' servers are no longer able to support PHP. Additionally we no longer offer that tier of server anymore."

Huh? So Apache isn't a server php handler after all? I must have missed that meeting... O_o

We are working to get an alternative hosting solution sorted right now.

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #62 on: June 21, 2012, 05:40:29 PM »
Thanx for the update..
Wow..

(A "stable bug"???  What a great way of describing it..  ;-)  :-) :-) :-)
Good luck with moving to a better host.. ;-)

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #63 on: June 21, 2012, 06:33:52 PM »
"That's not a feature, it's a bug!"

Sheesh...
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #64 on: June 21, 2012, 06:50:00 PM »
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I beg to differ, it's quite a nice forum as long as you read and respect the rules.

The rules are ridiculous and although i am not banned there, i have had run-ins with the mods. You can't reason with them( at least the one i dealt with) and its pointless to go back and forth because they cant seem to understand anything.

When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm. When i told the mods this instead of taking the message down their solution was to tell me to write a better guide,meanwhile leaving this damaging info up.. UH HELLO?:furious:
If i had time to write a guide it would of been posted already.
 
They say silly things like EVIL BAY and yet they have bay in their name.
I'm no ebay fan,but unless you use paypal to pay you can just as easily be ripped off in any transaction. It's Ironic that they don't seem to mind using Paypal which is part of evil bay. Its delusional to think amibay is any safer than any other method of buying and selling.
They talk crap about resellers (even though in effect anyone who ever sells used gear is technically a reseller).

There are some knowledgeable users there, its just a shame they don't post on proper Amiga forums.

As far as i can tell amibay is a good place for spreading the typical amiga misinformation.

It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #65 on: June 21, 2012, 07:06:21 PM »
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It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.


Yeah, anyone who thinks they can one-up the eBay/PayPal combo in buyer protection is delusional, not to mention the whole premise of people nosing in to every transaction and tracking items as they go from user to user is completely ridiculous and shows that yes, there are people with too much time on their hands that are too interested in the dealings of others.

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #66 on: June 21, 2012, 07:12:12 PM »
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When i pointed out that the idiot who suggested twisting capacitors off amiga motherboards was causing inexperienced people to rip the pads off boards and doing harm. When i told the mods this instead of taking the message down their solution was to tell me to write a better guide,meanwhile leaving this damaging info up.. UH HELLO?:furious:

There are lots of different opinions on teh interwebs.
I remember that thread and people brought up that it could be risky.

The person posting (doing this from memory, since they are still down) originally was maintaining that pulling straight up was bad and could damage pads, but twisting wouldn't for some reason...
I don't remember all the reasoning behind it.  It sounded risky to me, but it was his opinion.
He's apparently done that a lot and not had a problem.

He posted his belief.  People posted replies that they weren't so sure...
He was (IIRC) a working electronics tech (which doesn't mean he's right, but..).

That's the internet.
I read that thread and decided not to try that.  

They suggested you write your own guide..  That sounded like a good recommendation..

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They say silly things like EVIL BAY and yet they have bay in their name.
They?  All of them?  ;-)
I'm know some people there say that..  I like to say e-bait.  :-)  Yes, it's silly..  I don't think anyone takes me seriously, and I shop more on e-bait than I do on Amibay..  ;-)

As for the mods, they don't like people talking about e-bay at all...
They would prefer it not come up, and get frustrated when their users rant about it..

Sounds like you would like Amibay to be much more restrictive in their moderation...  Interesting, most people who don't like Amibay seem to think they do too much moderation..

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Its delusional to think amibay is any safer than any other method of buying and selling/
Yes and no..
It can be safer, if you know the person selling; and frequently you do.  It's a smaller area.
On e-bay, you have to rely on the ratings system.

That being said, especially with new sellers, there is risk; and they remind people to be careful.  
To me, it's more about keeping the Amiga/retro equipment in the community.  I bought my 8M RAM card for $xx on Amibay.  A good deal I think..  Then I got an ACA..  I sold the 8M to someone on Amibay who needed one for less than I paid.  I felt good about helping out someone that way.  I could try to do that on e-bay, but I think I'm more likely to get it into the hands of someone who needs it (rather than a re-seller) at a good price that way.  I could be wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.


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It is basically the UK "good old boy network" as far as i can tell.

Well, as long as your thoughts are based on facts and not some geographical bias, we're all good.  ;-)

As I've said, Amibay is an option.  It's not perfect.  It's not for everyone.  It's not for you.  That's OK..  But it's not a bad site..
It just is what it is..
As is e-bay and Amiga.org and.. etc..

IMHO

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #67 on: June 21, 2012, 07:19:53 PM »
Well you found the time to write this rant, if you used it more productively I'm sure you could find the time to write that guide ;)

All those posting your sob stories about Amibay you are as entitled to your opinion as much as Amibay is to run a Website/Trading Venue/Forum as it sees fit.

But if you don't like the site don't use it, simple!

Amibay really has been at the center of my return to the scene, I've been able to find well priced Amiga items to add to my collection and it's been a great place to sell my unwanted items.

The staff and members that I have dealt with have all made it a wonderful place to trade and share the progress with my projects :cool:

The discussion on Amibay may be moderated strict and the rules may seem a little harsh to some, but they are there to protect the members and make the lives of the moderators (who donate their time to running the site) a little bit easier.  

Hopefully the site is back up soon, thanks again to the Mods for the updates :)
 

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #68 on: June 21, 2012, 07:55:15 PM »
Quote from: desiv;697393
There are lots of different opinions on teh interwebs.
I remember that thread and people brought up that it could be risky.


No, there has been a correct way to replace surface mount caps on electronics since they were invented, this is not about opinion,its about fact (and common sense-which is not so common).

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The person posting (doing this from memory, since they are still down) originally was maintaining that pulling straight up was bad and could damage pads, but twisting wouldn't for some reason...
I don't remember all the reasoning behind it.  It sounded risky to me, but it was his opinion.
He's apparently done that a lot and not had a problem.

He posted his belief.  People posted replies that they weren't so sure...
He was (IIRC) a working electronics tech (which doesn't mean he's right, but..).
It doesn't matter if you do a indian rain dance on one foot while jerking on a capacitor,its the wrong way period. No need for speculation or guessing.
His "opinion" causes damage to good boards period(that i have to fix in many cases).I hope he doesn't starve as a "tech" with bad practices like that.
Its common sense, you have a delicate copper pad soldered with molten metal to a capacitor. its was soldered on originally,it must be soldered off.. i don't see whats so hard to understand-no magic, voodoo, or witch doctoring needed.

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That's the internet.
I read that thread and decided not to try that.  

They suggested you write your own guide..  That sounded like a good recommendation..
Are you even paying attention? I don't have time, i've been busy fixing boards that people messed up following this guys advice.

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They?  All of them?  ;-)
I'm know some people there say that..  I like to say e-bait.  :-)  Yes, it's silly..  I don't think anyone takes me seriously, and I shop more on e-bait than I do on Amibay..  ;-)

As for the mods, they don't like people talking about e-bay at all...
They would prefer it not come up, and get frustrated when their users rant about it..
Typical hypocrites.. They don't mind using paypal(a division of ebay).
That is another thing, i see most the users there abuse paypal by sending everything as "GIFT" so avoid all fee's. Its just a matter of time to see that service shut down when the bean counters figure how much they money are losing ruining the service for the rest of us.Its a measily 4% or so which is like $4 of $100. [/Quote]
 
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Sounds like you would like Amibay to be much more restrictive in their moderation...  Interesting, most people who don't like Amibay seem to think they do too much moderation..
If that is the conclusion you drew,then you are wrong. taking down bad,damaging info is not over moderation, it is common sense.Asking the person who posted it to take it down didn't work.


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Yes and no..
It can be safer, if you know the person selling; and frequently you do.  It's a smaller area.
On e-bay, you have to rely on the ratings system.

HUH? i know people who have bought items from amibay here in the usa as well as canada and other countries...small group? it is NO safer. As a matter of fact i know a few people who have gotten broken hardware only for the amibay member to disappear. No different to what can happen on ebay. Why do you keep pushing this farce that it is safer.

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That being said, especially with new sellers, there is risk; and they remind people to be careful.  
To me, it's more about keeping the Amiga/retro equipment in the community.  I bought my 8M RAM card for $xx on Amibay.  A good deal I think..  Then I got an ACA..  I sold the 8M to someone on Amibay who needed one for less than I paid.  I felt good about helping out someone that way.  I could try to do that on e-bay, but I think I'm more likely to get it into the hands of someone who needs it (rather than a re-seller) at a good price that way.  I could be wrong, but that's the way I feel about it.
In most cases short of knowing the person,you cannot say what happens to the hardware. it can go in a collectors closet,ebay,or in a landfill. Just because you deal in a narrow range does not mean others have that luxury. When you need a hard to find piece of hardware you go where its available.


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Well, as long as your thoughts are based on facts and not some geographical bias, we're all good.  ;-)

As I've said, Amibay is an option.  It's not perfect.  It's not for everyone.  It's not for you.  That's OK..  But it's not a bad site..
It just is what it is..
As is e-bay and Amiga.org and.. etc..

IMHO

desiv
I just call it like i see it. You guys perpetuate this false "amibay is safer" thing. At the end of the day only using paypal will likely save your butt since it has buyer and seller protections.

I had not intended to hijack this thread,and i will not reply to any further messages here.

Mech :D
 

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #69 on: June 21, 2012, 08:16:04 PM »
Here be trolls.... don't feed them.

I'm waiting for Godwin's Law to be proven again, if it hasn't already been in this thread...

/bothered
 

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #70 on: June 21, 2012, 08:25:23 PM »
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No, there has been a correct way to replace surface mount caps on electronics since they were invented,
Which is your opinion.
As I said, it's also mine.  I didn't agree with it.
It's not his..
Everyone with an opinion about what is right (myself included) is sure the other people are wrong..

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Are you even paying attention? I don't have time, i've been busy fixing boards that people messed up following this guys advice.
I didn't see where you said you fixed boards that you knew were damaged because someone twisted.  I must have missed that, sorry..
I saw that you said his advice was causing that, but I wasn't sure if that was direct evidence, or not.
I can see someone reading his post, but pulling and not twisting and breaking it and saying they followed his post and it broke.
That being said, I can also see it being bad advice.  I didn't like it myself.
I'm glad there were people like you who posted their opinion on it.

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Typical hypocrites.. They don't mind using paypal(a division of ebay).
So if you use paypal, that means you have to like e-bay because they own them?  Interesting..

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That is another thing, i see most the users there abuse paypal by sending everything as "GIFT" so avoid all fee's.
I don't think its "most" users, but I agree...
Amibay does not recommend doing that, and have warned users of the risks, but they don't prevent people from doing that.
I personally hate that and won't use paypal gift.

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If that is the conclusion you drew,then you are wrong. taking down bad,damaging info is not over moderation, it is common sense.Asking the person who posted it to take it down didn't work.
I didn't say it was overmoderation.  I said it was more restrictive in moderation.
I'm not one of the people who feels Amibay is overly restrictive.

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HUH? i know people who have bought items from amibay here in the usa as well as canada and other countries...small group?
Compared to e-bay?  Of course it is..  Small doesn't imply geographically close..  It could just be number of members.

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it is NO safer. As a matter of fact i know a few people who have gotten broken hardware only for the amibay member to disappear. No different to what can happen on ebay. Why do you keep pushing this farce that it is safer.

Once again, I do NOT use Amibay because it is supposedly safer.
That said, buying from a smaller (not necessarily geographically) group can be safer..
Now, there's an important word there..  "safer"
safer does NOT equal safe.

I never said it was safe.
Buying has inherent risks.  

Quote from: mechy;697404
I just call it like i see it. You guys perpetuate this false "amibay is safer" thing.
You guys?  
It's not black or white.  Not everyone on Amibay thinks the same way, just like not everyone on amiga.org thinks the same way.

And once again, safer does not equal safe.  No one (that I have seen) is saying there aren't any risks...

I have nothing against you.
I am glad you sell the products you sell and have heard only good things.
All I am saying is that Amibay is not bad just because it's not for you.

desiv
p.s.  I'm not saying Amibay is safe...  ;-)  I do think it's marginally safer, but I still tell people to always use paypal and never use paypal gift.  And I use e-bay and other services too....
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #71 on: June 21, 2012, 08:55:14 PM »
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Here be trolls.... don't feed them.

I'm waiting for Godwin's Law to be proven again, if it hasn't already been in this thread...

/bothered


I was being completely sincere in my earlier post.  Amibay is inconsistently moderated to the point that it sometimes causes frustration among members (trolls and regular users alike.)  
I sincerely wish I felt comfortable enough to have spoken with someone there, but I feared even the most softly worded constructive criticism might result in a ban.
So I chose to complain here where I cannot be banned.  Dows that make me a troll?  From your perspective, it might…
At any rate, I have not been on Amybay in months (or a year?) I only posted here to show that some 'trolls' also worry about Amibay’s moderation.

Rebut this post in any way you want.  Call me whatever names you  want.   I won’t defend myself anymore.
 

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #72 on: June 21, 2012, 09:20:28 PM »
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I was being completely sincere in my earlier post.

No names..
Unfortunate that you were afraid you'd be banned.
In my opinion (which many disagree with, and sometimes, properly :-), PMing to the mods about concerns won't get you banned..

It might not get you the answer you want, but it won't get you banned.

I've had some good discussions with the MODs there when I have concerns.
Yes, I don't always agree with them.. ;-)

We have had frequent PM discussions.
I always think they've heard me...
They don't generally act on my concerns, but I hope they remember and if there are enough other people, perhaps it will make a difference..

That being said, sometimes I end up learning what their perspective is.

And frequently, I come to an understanding (if not agreement) on why they are doing what they are doing...

I think you are totally free to voice your thoughts to the MODs in PMs..
They have yet to ban me for that....  ;-)

Pop back by and see...
(Well, not right now, as it's still broken...  ;-)

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but if you are OK with it being what it is, there are some great people there...

And people like me too, but you have to take the good with the bad.. ;-)

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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2012, 01:02:51 AM »
Who needs amibay, just did some digging on here and found Mika's contact details. Now the long wait for it to be sent to NZ :-)
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Re: amibay broken again?
« Reply #74 on: June 22, 2012, 01:20:15 AM »
just a heads up.

paypal isn't safe, the "buyer protection" is completely redundant, as if there are no funds left in the persons paypal account, they won't refund the money.

I paid $4200 for something, guy never sent it, took the issue up with paypal, they investigated, told me they'd decided in my favour, and that when the person had sufficient funds in their account, they'd be able to refund it to me... ah, what?

So, I contacted my credit card company, and they reversed the transaction, leaving paypal chasing the other party for the money... screw you paypal! ;) hahahahah