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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #254 from previous page: December 22, 2012, 02:20:23 PM »
No problems with mine, the accelerator not working could be due to timing problems with AT A1200 motherboards possibly.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #255 on: December 22, 2012, 02:27:59 PM »
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No problems with mine, the accelerator not working could be due to timing problems with AT A1200 motherboards possibly.


I thought this only applied to Jen's expansions and not the ones from Phase5/DCE/GVP?

So would this prevent the Amiga from booting altogether? I thought it just made the system unstable but still bootable.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #256 on: December 22, 2012, 02:52:14 PM »
I had an Amiga Tech A1200 back in the day, and it wouldn't work with a BPPC card I had, oddly it did work with an apollo 040 / 40 mhz card.. From what I can see its always been an issue with 1D4 and 2B motherboards.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #257 on: December 22, 2012, 02:58:14 PM »
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I had an Amiga Tech A1200 back in the day, and it wouldn't work with a BPPC card I had, oddly it did work with an apollo 040 / 40 mhz card.. From what I can see its always been an issue with 1D4 and 2B motherboards.


Ok. So it will need the timing fix then, right?
Makes me somewhat happier again. Really feared it would be a busted mainboard.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #258 on: December 22, 2012, 03:06:17 PM »
Maybe have a chat to AmigaKit if you are in the UK, they did mine for me.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #259 on: December 22, 2012, 06:21:27 PM »
As I've said before, sorry but anybody buying one of his NOS Amigas has no right to complain. He said they had been sitting in a warehouse for 15 years, and that they were untested. If you wanted one to play with, you should have bought a used tested one for a fraction of the price from eBay.
 

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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #260 on: December 22, 2012, 08:08:36 PM »
True :)
That said, I would still take a risk with one of the NOS Amigas.
But no, I would not complain if they didn't work.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #261 on: December 22, 2012, 08:40:58 PM »
The worst case scenario probably the caps have dried out and need replaced.

Is probably about time these motherboards are serviced anyway.
 

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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #262 on: December 22, 2012, 08:48:36 PM »
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As I've said before, sorry but anybody buying one of his NOS Amigas has no right to complain. He said they had been sitting in a warehouse for 15 years, and that they were untested. If you wanted one to play with, you should have bought a used tested one for a fraction of the price from eBay.

Why is everyone so protective about Petro?

Sure. Good work at bringing us NOS Amigas and I think most of us who purchased one did read the disclaimer.

Here's the thing though.

He never mentioned that these supposedly NOS Amigas came with a whole bunch of retroactively fitted parts. I mean, just from looking at the manuals inside the Magic Pack software bundle you can tell those have been thrown in used (lots of stains on them). The Amigas have also been taken out of their package at least once before being shipped (the seal on the back has been broken and the case looks like it has been cleaned).

Lastly, what I (a former student of European economics) find rather disturbing is the fact that he (as a CEO of a company) doesn't really seem to know a lot about EU consumer laws.

If someone was willing to sue him, I'm sure this person would've a good chance to win the case.

The disclaimer that could be found on any of his invoices is very much at odds with EU directive 1999/44/EC, which outlines a seller's obligation to take returns on faulty items for 2 years (due to some technicalities, it actually comes down to only a six month period upon which the consumer may return faulty items at all times with no penalties applied. But that's a different story altoghether).

Worse still, some national laws (including the law of the country Petro has set up business in) grant consumers a 14 day right of withdrawal on any physical good bought online*.

What I basically want to say with all this is that while I'm certainly grateful he made this possible, he should try to learn a thing or two about today's business laws before getting his current company into legal troubles.

*What makes this the worse part (from a sellers point of view), is the fact that his inability to inform costumers of this right lead to an extension to 30 months (German law) or one year (if that EU directive is already in place. I'm admittedly a bit rusty myself).
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #263 on: December 22, 2012, 09:01:40 PM »
I believe he even charges Vat which makes the sales "official" and liable to European consumer laws.
 

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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #264 on: December 22, 2012, 09:09:32 PM »
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I believe he even charges Vat which makes the sales "official" and liable to European consumer laws.

Yes he does.
He even sold these under his company name.

Power Service GmbH could get into serious trouble because of this, as the whole practice could be understood as money laundering by some.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #265 on: December 22, 2012, 09:20:18 PM »
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He never mentioned that these supposedly NOS Amigas came with a whole bunch of retroactively fitted parts. I mean, just from looking at the manuals inside the Magic Pack software bundle you can tell those have been thrown in used (lots of stains on them). The Amigas have also been taken out of their package at least once before being shipped (the seal on the back has been broken and the case looks like it has been cleaned).

Well you have certainly changed your tune since post #245 when you were praising Petro for the computer being in such pristine condition.
The packaging manuals, floppies sitting in a warehouse for 15+ years I would imagine should look a little worn by now.
 

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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #266 on: December 22, 2012, 09:29:02 PM »
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Well you have certainly changed your tune since post #245 when you were praising Petro for the computer being in such pristine condition.
The packaging manuals, floppies sitting in a warehouse for 15+ years I would imagine should look a little worn by now.


That was before I unpacked the rest of the unit, actually.

The Amiga itself is in pristine condition (even though I've now found out that this may be due to aforementioned modifications). However, everything inside the Magic Pack bundle looks extremly dirty.

Shockingly, neither the outer packaging nor the Amiga/Amiga Workbench manuals look anywhere near as bad.

Which bears the question: How can the interior look that much worse than the packaging, if everything is, supposedly, NOS.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #267 on: December 22, 2012, 09:37:08 PM »
Don't go there people. Seriosly. You will ruin the second batch deal for us who do want them.
We all understood what these unearthed Amigas were, and nobody claimed otherwise. Petro even emphasized that he could not guarantee anything. So it's a risk. Take it or leave it. If someone expects brand new Amigas with 2 year guarantee in 2012/13 then he should think again.

Don't act like brats.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #268 on: December 22, 2012, 09:53:41 PM »
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Don't go there people. Seriosly. You will ruin the second batch deal for us who do want them.
We all understood what these unearthed Amigas were, and nobody claimed otherwise. Petro even emphasized that he could not guarantee anything. So it's a risk. Take it or leave it. If someone expects brand new Amigas with 2 year guarantee in 2012/13 then he should think again.

Don't act like brats.


No one is acting like a brat.

Fact is, there never was a risk for anyone of us. The only one who claimed otherwise was Petro and he, quite frankly, has the obligation to offer two years of sales warranty (effectively six months, as pointed out earlier) and accept returns for a minimum of 14 days.

Personally, I don't care what some weird disclaimer says, knowing full well my rights as a citizen of the European Union.

The disclaimer could, as well, have asked me to agree to live a life of servitude and it wouldn't have made much of a difference.
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Re: Petro: 500 units new Amiga 1200 Magic Pac
« Reply #269 on: December 22, 2012, 10:11:57 PM »
Come on man, this is Amigaland. You know how stuff are. And these are 15 years old machines.

If you really don't like the agreement then you should have cleared it with Petro before buying. And not make the purchase if he stands firm. We don't need more hate in the ever small community.

I can understand this purchase hasn't met your expectations, but please take the time to think a bit about it.
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