opinions on ppc options ..please

[Kronos]

you forgot to count in the price of morphos itself (over 100eur!).

No, I did not !!

eMacs or lowend PowerMacs can be had for 40Euro is you do some searching.

Now one can surely go beyond 300Euro with an PB5.9+key, but thats not really the point.

[Karlos]

wow  ...never expected  to get so many  different  views ...it is a hobby  after all

Well, it's normal for people to be passionate about their hobbies. There are basically two PPC offshoots and some folk have strong opinions about which you should be using. MorphOS has been around a long time and was at the outset the de facto next gen AmigaOS as far as most users were concerned. Prior to that, all we had was OS3 with WarpOS and PowerUp, which was never a truly satisfactory combination. When I first saw MOS boot up on my blizzppc it seemed we were finally getting the chance to use this freakish accelerator board I'd spent a kidney on as it was truly intended.

And then excrement and fans combined, as they so often do in Amigaland and before you know it, everything is up in the air again. MorphOS continued to be developed but dropped support for the classic machines back in the 1.x days, which is a great shame in my opinion, but I suspect I am in a minority there and seeing it on G4 class hardware, it's probably not surprising.

 ..why are we hating  0s4? ..i havent  used it  seen it etc ..i run  3.5  on all my machines  cause it  seems to work  best

OS4 became the official successor to OS3.x at a time when a lot of users were still understandably aggrieved over this turn of events. Personally I was happy that there would be an official successor, particularly one that I can still run on my ageing A1200

...os4  has some options  that workbench 3 cant offer i guess
decent  browser  comes to mind i think ..i just wanted to throw  my thoughts out to people  who have  used ppc  for a while ..is it overpriced  yes ..could i do everything i wanted to on my pc ..yes ..but thats not the point  ..its a hobby  u get to enjoy yourself  doing  fun  stuff  with ur amiga  again ....i value  peoples opinions on ppc options  thats why i asked ..but i didnt expect it to turn into  mines  bigger than yours ..good  grief .

As I said, my opinion is that OS4.1 on classic is great for accelerating your existing software, or at least the software that can run under JIT. However, it's not so great for running more recent OS4 native software, simply because it tends to be written on and for faster machines. A bit like having a vanilla 020 in the days when everybody else has 060.

[spirantho]

Basically, Karlos gets it right there.

AmigaOS 4.x is a brilliant OS, but on the BPPC or CSPPC it's little more than a toy. The other machines are the ones for which OS4 apps are written, usually, so it suffers on speed.
This is exacerbated by the amount of ports from the non-Amiga (i.e. faster) platforms there are for OS4, which makes the problem seem even worse.

That said, though, Amigas are for the most part toys. Sure, they can be used for serious things, but most of us use them because they're fun. So in that respect AmigaOS 4 on the BPPC/CSPPC fits the bill perfectly.

My A4000 on which I'm typing this is the only machine on which I can run OS4 and OS3 apps by dual-booting, and for that reason it classes as "cool" in my book. Sure it's not as practical as other solutions, so I would recommend it to complement a new AOS4/MOS machine, not to replace it.

Now if you'll excuse me, I think after having written this post in an OS4 browser, I fancy a game of slamtilt. On my Amiga, using an Amiga keyboard, and an Amiga AGA chipset. No PowerMac or AmigaOne can do that.

[Karlos]

Furthermore, compatible 68K applications that expect the real native hardware to be present run a lot better under 4.1 on a genuine classic machine than they do when emulating everything in UAE on faster OS4 machines if comparisons between my 4.1 A1200 (603e 240MHz) and 4.1 A1 XE (G4 800MHz) are anything to go by. That will probably change as UAE on OS4 matures though.

[spirantho]

Funny you should say that.
I came across my Sim City 2000 disks on my way to my Slam Tilt ones.

I installed it (this in OS 4) straight from the disks, and ran it, not expecting much.
It gave a yellow alert of the font being corrupt, and came up with the screen requester, allowing me to use any screenmode I wanted, as long as it was PAL Hi-Res Interlaced (SC2000 doesn't use RTG).
Not expecting much, I launched it, and switched my TV to use SCART instead of VGA...

... and it works perfectly! I played it a bit and it ran at a good speed; even the display was nice because the TV is a TFT one which automatically scan-doubles. The graphics were still a little slow, as you'd expect for AGA, but just seeing it under OS4 natively is very cool.
I shall have to give John (Jones-Steele - who ported it) a virtual pat on the back next I see him - he works in the office opposite.

[vox]

i.those who have a ppc card on the 1200 aga only  an or  a sam  machine  with  0s4  what is it like  ..is it worth the money?? ..the time? opinions  please ..

Maxed out SAM 440 ~700Mhz, 1G RAM and Radeon 9250 is fairly usable machine, However, its one step away from SAM 460 Lite that is 1Ghz, has faster RAM and is able to use RadeonHD. Either SAM 460 Lite or used Pegasos II with MorphOS and OS 4 would be my recommendations for many reasons.

SAM below 700Mhz is slow for Timberwolf and AmiCygnix and you do want productivity?

Classic option would be to wait for Natami or Ultimate PPC
http://ultimateppc.nl/

But no one knows when they will appear ...

Remember that OS 4.2 will come sooner or later and RadeonHD will be the next big thing and only SAM 460 and X1000 can do it And maybe Peg2 with AGP RadeonHD, Radeons HD exist for older PCI slot but are rare to find and extremnely overpriced. MOre OS acell should also goi to gfx card.

To be honest, best option is to save, save, save money and buy X1000,
Compared to SAM 460 similar system its less then 2x expensive, but offers 2 cores, complete system, Xena, fastest RAM and HDD speed, 10xUSB and when board will be supported 3 spare slots. And SAM 440 and 460 are industrial boards, picky, hard to expand with little space on it

[vox]

Furthermore, compatible 68K applications that expect the real native hardware to be present run a lot better under 4.1 on a genuine classic machine than they do when emulating everything in UAE on faster OS4 machines if comparisons between my 4.1 A1200 (603e 240MHz) and 4.1 A1 XE (G4 800MHz) are anything to go by. That will probably change as UAE on OS4 matures though.

This is big advantage of OS 4.1 Classic users. We badly need some software reimplementation of AGA (since we have CPU emulation) or some "redirection sofrware" like NallePuh used to be (redirects Paula to AHI, there is CIA emulaton also, we need just the AGA gfx chip emulated to RTG)