opinions on ppc options ..please

[klx300r]

This is "hate OS4" site, so nobody should ask opinion about OS4 here.
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Sad thing is that every OS4 thread is hijacked with MorphOS fans, in fact they write more to OS4 threads than MorphOS threads.

well sadly this is mostly true on this site nowadays; however, this thread is about PPC options for classics versus going to a NG Amiga system (whether the NG system is OS4.x, MOS, or AROS is the OP's decision)

[Karlos]

however, this thread is about PPC options for classics versus going to a NG Amiga system (whether the NG system is OS4.x, MOS, or AROS is the OP's decision)

Quite, and I'm sure we'd all prefer it not to turn into a blue v red piddling contest. Besides, I drank a lot of coffee today and I have no doubt that I can pee longer and further than the rest of you put together.

[Piru]

That's only true if you are dealing with a graphics system that does all the calculations for you, preferably offloading them to hardware T&L and clipping.

Warp3D is not that system

Indeed, and MorphOS does not use Warp3D as we know

[klx300r]

Yeah I was pretty surprised myself when I saw it and I wrote the damn driver for 4.1 :lol:

why you humble guy you;) stuff that cool should be posted on every single Amiga site around ! as a matter of fact just being able to get THAT much out of the ol girl is worth maxing out the classic miggy IMHO...**** no wonder any PPC cards for our classics go for totally insane prices! Amigans just can't put a price on pimping out their miggies much like some car guys I know get a 2'nd mortgage (literally) to pimp out their muscle cars just so they can brag about it to other car guys:roflmao:

[klx300r]

Quite, and I'm sure we'd all prefer it not to turn into a blue v red piddling contest. Besides, I drank a lot of coffee today and I have no doubt that I can pee longer and further than the rest of you put together.

I agree but alas guess which friend of ours immediately posted this comment on this very thread:rolleyes:

"If you insist on OS4 your options are either insanely expensive or underpowered"

[Karlos]

Indeed, and MorphOS does not use Warp3D as we know

Of course not, but it doesn't change the fact that if you *were* lumbered with having to support that particular 3D rasterizer (notice I don't use the word accelerator here ), you'd also be doing all the work in software too.

In case it was missed, my point is that despite all the handicaps the system featured in the video has, it is still churning out a half-playable framerate, which I'd say demonstrates there is some life in the old dog and claims that the old boards are entirely useless is not really founded.

In my personal experience is any measure, for OS/RTG friendly classic software on such a machine, unless you have a 100MHz 060, you probably aren't going to get a faster 68K experience out of your existing classic hardware. And as I said, the real irony is that it's more recent PPC software for 4.x that struggles, simply because it's generally written on and for faster machines.

The real issue is that such hardware is just too stupidly expensive to be viable compared to the alternatives, whether real 060+3.x, OS4, MOS, AROS or UAE.

[Karlos]

I agree but alas guess which friend of ours immediately posted this comment on this very thread:rolleyes:

"If you insist on OS4 your options are either insanely expensive or underpowered"

You may not like his choice of words, but he does make a valid point. Nobody can deny that there is quite a cost involved if you want a high-end OS4 experience on newer hardware or conversely if you want to run it on classic hardware, you equally have to accept that you are running it on the PPC equivalent of your basic 020 class system of yesteryear.

Your best bet for a reasonable cost/performance OS4 experience as I see it is to source a second hand Sam or A1.

[klx300r]

@ Karlos

not denying just sayin;) 'choice of words' usually starts the sparks which almost always start the fire

[delshay]

I almost completed my modification to my Blizzard PPC 300Mhz (no overclocking) its performance is very high and should show better performance than the video in this thread.

It will out perform some other Blizzard PPC cards that claim to be faster or operate faster than 300Mhz

What is the screenmode Quake III in this thread?

[Karlos]

I almost completed my modification to my Blizzard PPC 300Mhz (no overclocking) its performance is very high and should show better performance than the video in this thread.

It will out perform some other Blizzard PPC cards that claim to be faster or operate faster than 300Mhz

What is the screenmode Quake III in this thread?

I am not sure as I didn't make the video. It looks like the default 640x480 but it could be higher.

[delshay]

If the video is 640x480 then for sure my Blizzard/Bvision combo is faster. I have always enjoyed 800x600 with very good performance on permedia 2.

Permedia 2 is now showing some very good performance (1024x768) on a small number of PPC 3D games with more tweaks to come.

[klx300r]

@ delshay

ohh sounds good..please keep us posted on your results and future videos

[Karlos]

If the video is 640x480 then for sure my Blizzard/Bvision combo is faster. I have always enjoyed 800x600 with very good performance on permedia 2.

Permedia 2 is now showing some very good performance (1024x768) on a small number of PPC 3D games with more tweaks to come.

If you keep boasting about your uber blizzardppc, I'm going to add a feature to the next driver that detects your specific card and reduces the framerate to 2fps whilst playing oompah style tuba music and scrolling a message to taunt you...

[delshay]

If you keep boasting about your uber blizzardppc, I'm going to add a feature to the next driver that detects your specific card and reduces the framerate to 2fps whilst playing oompah style tuba music and scrolling a message to taunt you...

I am not boasting,just letting some user know how far I have got with my project. Some users don't like overclocking and claim the the Blizzard PPC is to slow. I am going to show all users that the Blizzard card can  match or out perform some Cyberstorm even with its 64bit memory.

I have already shown a overclocked Blizzard PPC to have and hold the world record in memory bandwidth on any classic amiga,not even a Cyberstorm 366Mhz can match it.

What you should be doing is writing a driver if possible to find out what's inside my permedia 2 besides its 250Mhz Ramdac as I can't find the documentation anywhere.

Bvision SGRAM 130Mhz+ (Beta)

[AAACHIPSET]

This is "hate OS4" site, so nobody should ask opinion about OS4 here.

There only few OS4 users here, rest of them has abandonet site or just stopped post anything OS4 related here. If you bought OS4 machine, there are plenty of people who get their sexual pleasure with spoiling others joy.

A OS4 is direct heir of A OS3.x. It is true that MorphOs has currently advantages over OS4, but it is just not be Amiga. Most of them will dissapper whem update 4.2 appears. AND there is no new and dedigated hardware for MorphOS

Sad thing is that every OS4 thread is hijacked with MorphOS fans, in fact they write more to OS4 threads than MorphOS threads.

wow  ...never expected  to get so many  different  views ...it is a hobby  after all ..reminds  me when i used to grow an show  african violets  ..i only  grew  chimeras which are rather special ..an expensive ..an what people would  pay for them was  madness ..i myself  paid  over 100.00  for a baby plant  of one  variety ..anyway  to my  comments  an point  ..why are we hating  0s4? ..i havent  used it  seen it etc ..i run  3.5  on all my machines  cause it  seems to work  best ...i use  xp still on my dual core i5 cause its stable an does what i want ..i run win98 on my laptop cause  to transfer files using pc network  to my amiga  it works  better ..i use what i need to to do what i need to do  ...os4  has some options  that workbench 3 cant offer i guess
decent  browser  comes to mind i think ..i just wanted to throw  my thoughts out to people  who have  used ppc  for a while ..is it overpriced  yes ..could i do everything i wanted to on my pc ..yes ..but thats not the point  ..its a hobby  u get to enjoy yourself  doing  fun  stuff  with ur amiga  again ....i value  peoples opinions on ppc options  thats why i asked ..but i didnt expect it to turn into  mines  bigger than yours ..good  grief .

[Kronos]

you forgot to count in the price of morphos itself (over 100eur!).

No, I did not !!

eMacs or lowend PowerMacs can be had for 40Euro is you do some searching.

Now one can surely go beyond 300Euro with an PB5.9+key, but thats not really the point.