opinions on ppc options ..please

[utri007]

This is "hate OS4" site, so nobody should ask opinion about OS4 here.

There only few OS4 users here, rest of them has abandonet site or just stopped post anything OS4 related here. If you bought OS4 machine, there are plenty of people who get their sexual pleasure with spoiling others joy.

A OS4 is direct heir of A OS3.x. It is true that MorphOs has currently advantages over OS4, but it is just not be Amiga. Most of them will dissapper whem update 4.2 appears. AND there is no new and dedigated hardware for MorphOS

Sad thing is that every OS4 thread is hijacked with MorphOS fans, in fact they write more to OS4 threads than MorphOS threads.

[krashan]

you forgot to count in the price of morphos itself (over 100eur!).

In fact it is over 100 only for PowerBooks. For the rest of machines it is 79. For Efika 49 (but I would not recommend an Efika for the thread author, even if Efika does circles around any BPPC/CSPPC board).

[krashan]

AND there is no new and dedigated hardware for MorphOS

True, but this not dedicated hardware is better supported by MorphOS, than dedicated hardware is supported by AmigaOS 4.

Sad thing is that every OS4 thread is hijacked with MorphOS fans

Hint: This is not an AmigaOS 4 thread.

[takemehomegrandma]

@orange

Will set you down just 100-300 Euro (depending on which HW you choose)

you forgot to count in the price of morphos itself (over 100eur!).

Not necessarily! (hint: "depending on which HW you choose")


@utri007

This is not an "OS4" thread, it's a "PPC" thread, so...

[takemehomegrandma]

True, but this not dedicated hardware is better supported by MorphOS, than dedicated hardware is supported by AmigaOS 4.

...and cheaper by a magnitude, it's also faster, more easy to obtain, and it comes in flavors ranging from big-box PowerMacs, tiny footprint and compact Mac Minis, and full-blown laptops as PowerBooks. The OS has more features, better features, better stability, better Amiga compatibility, and better performance, etc. It has the best Amiga standards (MUI4, CGX, Poseidon, etc) not only bundled, but *integrated*, and Ambient leaves both Workbench and Wanderer far, far behind. IMHO, it's a non-brainer, but of course, taste is different...

[Karlos]

...but I would not recommend an Efika for the thread author, even if Efika does circles around any BPPC/CSPPC board.

Sure about that?

[youtube]3GNtOM3ZLQM[/youtube]

That's was recorded running on an OS4.1 A4000 (CSPPC @233MHz), on a beta version of the Permedia2. Which is by far the weakest 3D hardware you can use on any PPC equipped Amiga.

[cha05e90]

True, but this not dedicated hardware is better supported by MorphOS, than dedicated hardware is supported by AmigaOS 4.

Uah, thin ice. :-) You are right in some specific combinations, false in some other. Hints:

- What part of my "dedicated" Sam440ep is not supported by AmigaOS?
- Which OS did support a peasy Sil3114 SATA card in a Pegasos II while the other didn't?
- Which OS do not support all features of the claimed-to-work-with-hardware? (answer: both)

Neverthless: In general MorphOS HW support is mostly nice, predictable and (except USB and that Poseidon stuff) reliable.

[krashan]

Sure about that?

About some invisible to me Flash crap? I don't know what to say ;-).

[Karlos]

About some invisible to me Flash crap? I don't know what to say ;-).

Well, since you can't see it, it's Quake 3, running on the least powerful 3D hardware there is for an OS4 equipped classic machine and still managing to turn in a frame rate over a single digit.

[itix]

@Karlos

It still doesnt change the fact that BPPC/CSPPC is useless on Amiga. There is no support, it is slow and impossible to find. Even if you fnid one it costs a fortune. Better invest on a fast 060 and if you want PPC get something clocked at 1 GHz or better with AltiVec.

[krashan]

it's Quake 3, running on the least powerful 3D hardware there is for an OS4 equipped classic machine and still managing to turn in a frame rate over a single digit.

I think if Efika could have more RAM than those 128 MB, it would be able to run Quake 3 faster. And BTW 3D speed is only loosely related to CPU performance.

[Karlos]

@Karlos

It still doesnt change the fact that BPPC/CSPPC is useless on Amiga. There is no support, it is slow and impossible to find. Even if you fnid one it costs a fortune. Better invest on a fast 060 and if you want PPC get something clocked at 1 GHz or better with AltiVec.

If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that I recommend a fast 060 unless he's determined to use PPC.

I don't agree that it's a useless expansion however, it's just stupidly expensive to obtain for a degree of acceleration far less than your G4 class system will offer. If, like me, you already happen to have, say, the 040 based BPPC and accompanying RTG card, the speed increase you get for most OS friendly 68K applications under JIT in OS4.1 is pretty conspicuous. Faster than your typical 060 for a lot of things (pathological cases do exist, of course) and even WUP applications aren't hit by the cache purging context switch overhead that they have to endure under OS3.x, meaning they are often quite a bit quicker too.

Ironically it's OS4 native software it is less well equipped for, simply because of the performance gap between the old L2 cacheless 60x boards and the newer PPC systems that superseded them.

[Karlos]

I think if Efika could have more RAM than those 128 MB, it would be able to run Quake 3 faster. And BTW 3D speed is only loosely related to CPU performance.

That's only true if you are dealing with a graphics system that does all the calculations for you, preferably offloading them to hardware T&L and clipping.

Warp3D is not that system and even if it were, the Permedia2 has absolutely no T&L acceleration of any kind whatsoever (you count yourself lucky that it at least has a delta unit to subdivide triangles into screen-aligned trapezoids and even then there can be times it's quicker to do it on the CPU).

The CSPPC in that video is delivering a considerably better framerate, for the same 3D card, than my humble BPPC. Which can play it, just. Not that you'd want to

-edit-

Incidentally, the CSPPC had 128MB of RAM too.

[klx300r]

..That's was recorded running on an OS4.1 A4000 (CSPPC @233MHz), on a beta version of the Permedia2. Which is by far the weakest 3D hardware you can use on any PPC equipped Amiga.

damn that's smooth and quick for that ol classic beast running OS4.1:eek:

[Karlos]

damn that's smooth and quick for that ol classic beast running OS4.1:eek:

Yeah I was pretty surprised myself when I saw it and I wrote the damn driver for 4.1 :lol:

[klx300r]

This is "hate OS4" site, so nobody should ask opinion about OS4 here.
....
Sad thing is that every OS4 thread is hijacked with MorphOS fans, in fact they write more to OS4 threads than MorphOS threads.

well sadly this is mostly true on this site nowadays; however, this thread is about PPC options for classics versus going to a NG Amiga system (whether the NG system is OS4.x, MOS, or AROS is the OP's decision)