UltimatePPC and everything else

[Fab]

Many of the posts on slashdot were right imho (re morphos). You just dont see it, and hence you will only have a small userbase and developers (such as myself) will stay away and work on other things.

The vast majority of the posts on slashdot are just totally irrelevant. They don't see the point of this project, so be it, but they can just skip the article instead of throwing so much nonsense.

And I also wonder why you always come with this "it's not opensource so i don't touch it" mantra. AmigaOS/MorphOS is not linux, you can contribute a lot and even code drivers without requiring access to the kernel. So dear Mr Developer, what do you really need access to the source for? What would you like to work on?

And if you need an excuse, just say you're not interested, it's better than this "it's not opensource" thing.

[itix]

well I have no idea - I'm assuming it isn't from your remarks - always good to avoid the "point" and be pedantic. major components are - which was the point - that amiga projects benefit from open source, yet often give back very little. in this case, criticism over hardware about compatibility, when you could just as easily blame the software for being closed for the "incompatiblities".

I think you misunderstood Piru this time. Who is using open source compositing engine? Certainly someone is using open source compositing engine but dont like to admit it publicly.

Many of the posts on slashdot were right imho (re morphos). You just dont see it, and hence you will only have a small userbase and developers (such as myself) will stay away and work on other things.

There are n+1 open source Amiga projects on google code and sf.net. From Aminet you can find more open source stuff. Problem is not that there isnt enough open source code to make this accelerator board project float.

[Tahoe]

Is there any reason why you didnt pick ARM core or x86 chip? I mean, since you dont aim for backward compatibility there could have been more cost effective options?

You seem to think I am somehow involved; I am not. I am just excited to see new hardware being developed for our classic machines. The fact Hyperion is getting involved at some point and we might see AmigaOS 4.x being released for it sounds good to me, at least better than a Cyberstorm.

Now, if Morphos were to run on this card I would be highly interested, for now Morphos is a no-go for me because I simply do not have the hardware to run it on.

Instead of bashing the card and looking for all the impossibilities it would be nice if people looked at the posibilities instead. With some effort this could be a future, at least for the classic owners out there...

[Piru]

Morphos is a no-go for me because I simply do not have the hardware to run it on.

Faster MorphOS hardware is fraction of the price of this thing.

With some effort this could be a future

The FPU thing makes this a dead end, no matter how you look at it. Unless if the CPU is changed there is just no way I can see this project succeed, at least for the PPC side of things.

Even if this thing would eventually get support for some project, it'd mean that there would have to be two set of binaries released for each application, library etc. It still would not make earlier binary only releases work.

BTW is Sam Jordan aware that the chosen CPU has an incompatible FPU?

[itix]

Instead of bashing the card and looking for all the impossibilities it would be nice if people looked at the posibilities instead. With some effort this could be a future, at least for the classic owners out there...

I am sure it is nice accelerator board but porting project is enormous.

[Tahoe]

BTW is Sam Jordan aware that the chosen CPU has an incompatible FPU?

Yes. Fortunatly he is looking at possibilities instead of rejecting it at first hand.

[Piru]

Yes. Fortunatly he is looking at possibilities instead of rejecting it at first hand.

You think I am making this up and didn't look at the specs before rejecting it? Also, isn't this kind of backward thing to do: First create the HW around some CPU and then try to figure out if it can be used at all?

[slayer]

Seems to me I've started refurbishing all my A4000Ds and A3000Ds MBs for a good reason

I'll be watching this with interest

[Cosmos Amiga]

BTW is Sam Jordan aware that the chosen CPU has an incompatible FPU?
Yes. Fortunatly he is looking at possibilities instead of rejecting it at first hand.

I cannot believe...

For the love of God and the Amiga, please choose another 100% 603e-604e compatible PPC for your great project

The PPC side was divided in two since the beginning, do not divide it again by three !


I can't believe, I can't...


How hard is to understand that :

DIVISION = NO SUCCESS

UNITY = SUCCESS


I can't believe, I have no words...

[Tahoe]

For the love of God and the Amiga, please choose another 100% 603e-604e compatible PPC for your great project

It's not my project.

[buzz]

The vast majority of the posts on slashdot are just totally irrelevant. They don't see the point of this project, so be it, but they can just skip the article instead of throwing so much nonsense.

And I also wonder why you always come with this "it's not opensource so i don't touch it" mantra. AmigaOS/MorphOS is not linux, you can contribute a lot and even code drivers without requiring access to the kernel. So dear Mr Developer, what do you really need access to the source for? What would you like to work on?

And if you need an excuse, just say you're not interested, it's better than this "it's not opensource" thing.

re the open source things. I like to have the ability to hack on / debug/ improve software I run. open source allows me to do that.

your comment that I dont need access to the kernel to write a driver, is exactly my issue - being told what I can and can't do. I won't want to buy into software to run as my hobby machine, that is locked down to a single piece of hardware, doesnt give me the freedom to work on parts that I want. Maybe I want to work on the core os. Or maybe I don't but I would like the ability to be there. right now the "morphos" team have the power to pull the plug on the os, or refuse to replacea keyfile if hardware was to die. No thanks.

I'm not picking on just morphos. I feel the same about os4.

I realise my "views" are incompatible with the views of many "Amiga users". I realise you will continue to utilise open source that originates from other platforms, while limiting the freedom your own users have with your code.. and because of that you also limit your userbase. I'm sure that doesn't matter to you either.

[Crumb]

Using an incompatible PPC makes no sense. Please choose a PPC with compatible FPU.

[Crumb]

@Tahoe
Would he be willing to open source WarpOS? it could be useful for AROS-PPC :-)

[buzz]

I think you misunderstood Piru this time. Who is using open source compositing engine? Certainly someone is using open source compositing engine but dont like to admit it publicly.

i see. well, that's a shame.

There are n+1 open source Amiga projects on google code and sf.net. From Aminet you can find more open source stuff. Problem is not that there isnt enough open source code to make this accelerator board project float.

there is very little "open source" code originating in Amiga land from my experience (excl aros). I've got comfortable in the fact that the source is available for pretty much all the software I run these days (on linux). You are right there isn't enough - and it will never change while people seem to have the private club / closed source ethos.

[Hattig]

What I'd really like is an accelerator with a 68060 at 90 or 100mhz with a 2ghz power pc processor for morph/os4. That would be something I wouldn't even think about buying, I would just click buy it now. The fact that no one has realized thats what many amiga fans want/need is kind of sad...

The problem is that decent 68060s are rarer than an honest politician these days.

Best bet for this board is to put on a 68040/68060 socket, so people can use their own 68060s if they have them, otherwise provide a 68040.

In reality, this is another piece of modern hardware 100x more capable than the computer it is attaching to. I hope that there is a market for this device and that it does well, but in reality is there a market? IMO with the 500 new A1200s discovered, they would be better off making an A1200 PowerPC card. Or an entirely new PowerPC computer with a 'compatibility slot' that lets you slot in an FPGA Amiga implementation.

[Hattig]

My collection goes back to when Napster was in its prime. I have never paid for an mp3 because i will not pay for a substandard quality recording.

You could buy the CDs and rip, or buy higher-quality AACs/MP3s/FLACs instead.

But on the other hand, digital piracy is not theft (you do not deny somebody else the product), it's merely copyright infringement. And it appears that people who buy music are also the ones most likely to pirate (presumably once their music funds run out).