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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #149 from previous page: June 18, 2012, 05:25:49 PM »
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I believe it when I see it (specifically running various WOS apps utilizing the FPU).


I just love you positive attitude ;)

This project is great, and it looks like they can really make it happen.
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #150 on: June 18, 2012, 05:30:58 PM »
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I just love you positive attitude ;)

This project is great, and it looks like they can really make it happen.

I don't know how much positive attitude is needed to turn a CPU to execute incompatible FPU code. Must be a lot.
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #151 on: June 18, 2012, 06:33:31 PM »
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I don't know how much positive attitude is needed to turn a CPU to execute incompatible FPU code. Must be a lot.


At least we are moving forward now, instead of being stuck with 199x hardware. Who knows, maybe in future this will be the compatible CPU and all currently in use PPC's will be the incompatible ones... :)
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #152 on: June 18, 2012, 06:38:18 PM »
lol. hate to think amigaones might occur to be amiga incompatible (again).. ;) , and mac gear too!
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #153 on: June 18, 2012, 06:48:09 PM »
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lol. hate to think amigaones might occur to be amiga incompatible (again).. ;) , and mac gear too!


That's why I put the smiley up! :)
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2012, 07:55:01 PM »
You wouldn't need to execute incompatible fpu code, if everything wasn't so "closed source" in amigaland.

good thing that other developers don't have the crappy amiga attitude to source releases, or morphos/os4 would have no decent web browser,, video player and so on.
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2012, 09:03:19 PM »
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good thing that other developers don't have the crappy amiga attitude to source releases, or morphos/os4 would have no decent web browser,, video player

...TCP stack, font engine (+fonts), PDF viewer, archive support, OpenGL, compositing...
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2012, 09:43:25 PM »
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At least we are moving forward now, instead of being stuck with 199x hardware


:lol:

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maybe in future this will be the compatible CPU and all currently in use PPC's will be the incompatible ones... :)


:lol: :lol:
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2012, 11:20:09 PM »
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...TCP stack, font engine (+fonts), PDF viewer, archive support, OpenGL, compositing...


yeh - exactly :)
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2012, 11:35:12 PM »
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compositing...

Really?
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #159 on: June 18, 2012, 11:39:35 PM »
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At least we are moving forward now, instead of being stuck with 199x hardware. Who knows, maybe in future this will be the compatible CPU and all currently in use PPC's will be the incompatible ones... :)

Rather unlikely. While the e500V2 core is used for quite some QorIQ and PowerQUICC chips, Freescale seem to shift away from it. Sorry for saying it that straight: but IMO it's just stupid to chose an e500V2 cpu for such a project. But I am only repeating myself here, a few pages before I wrote alredy about that.

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #160 on: June 19, 2012, 12:15:49 AM »
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Really?


so ignore everything else on the list. the point is made.
 

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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #161 on: June 19, 2012, 12:22:42 AM »
(double)
« Last Edit: June 19, 2012, 12:30:54 AM by itix »
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #162 on: June 19, 2012, 12:29:58 AM »
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At least we are moving forward now, instead of being stuck with 199x hardware. Who knows, maybe in future this will be the compatible CPU and all currently in use PPC's will be the incompatible ones... :)


Is there any reason why you didnt pick ARM core or x86 chip? I mean, since you dont aim for backward compatibility there could have been more cost effective options?
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #163 on: June 19, 2012, 12:34:13 AM »
well I have no idea - I'm assuming it isn't from your remarks - always good to avoid the "point" and be pedantic. major components are - which was the point - that amiga projects benefit from open source, yet often give back very little. in this case, criticism over hardware about compatibility, when you could just as easily blame the software for being closed for the "incompatiblities".

Many of the posts on slashdot were right imho (re morphos). You just dont see it, and hence you will only have a small userbase and developers (such as myself) will stay away and work on other things.
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Re: UltimatePPC and everything else
« Reply #164 on: June 19, 2012, 01:53:19 AM »
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Many of the posts on slashdot were right imho (re morphos). You just dont see it, and hence you will only have a small userbase and developers (such as myself) will stay away and work on other things.

The vast majority of the posts on slashdot are just totally irrelevant. They don't see the point of this project, so be it, but they can just skip the article instead of throwing so much nonsense.

And I also wonder why you always come with this "it's not opensource so i don't touch it" mantra. AmigaOS/MorphOS is not linux, you can contribute a lot and even code drivers without requiring access to the kernel. So dear Mr Developer, what do you really need access to the source for? What would you like to work on?

And if you need an excuse, just say you're not interested, it's better than this "it's not opensource" thing.
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