UltimatePPC and everything else

[Heiroglyph]

More importantly, how many ££££ for the ppc versus ££ for the PI ? even people wanting to have a laugh could afford it.

TomUK

I get your point, although I've been given several PC's faster than a PI for free.

If it was about $ per GHz or just plain GHz, I don't think anyone would be on this site, even for the absurdly expensive X1000.

I do find a certain appeal in making my good old Miggy run at hundreds of MHz even if my PC could still outpace it.  Love trumps sanity at times.

Edit: also note that the PI would have to emulate the chipset which would have a serious impact on performance.  A PPC card just needs to handle CPU duty.

[psxphill]

A vast number of Amiga users never had a PPC anyway, thus have no investment in compatibility. They all have an investment in 68k.

Right now the only reason the phase 5 boards are desirable is that there is software that you cannot run using any other way. WinUAE with PPC support would make a huge dent on the market. An Amiga PPC board that allows you to run existing ppc software ( not necessarily using existing powerup/warpup binaries ) would destroy it.
 
Anything else is just another new amiga plan which nobody has any investment in & it might as well be one of the new quad core arm chips or an atom.

[Heiroglyph]

Gah, I guess everyone is missing that you're saying "port AOS4".  I did it too, sorry.

I think there's about 0% chance of that.  Other than AROS, they just don't seem interested in logical directions.

[commodorejohn]

heh, I didn't say emulate, I said port Me bad, I should have been more complete tbh: I mean, port UAE + OS4 to the ARM on a PI, then run 68k emulated + newer code native and forget about the dead-end ppc.

More importantly, how many ££££ for the ppc versus ££ for the PI ? even people wanting to have a laugh could afford it.

Oh, no argument about the pricing. But even if you port the OS, any software that you can't recompile for ARM is going to have to be emulated.

[zylesea]

OK? Leave the exotic HW guys alone or suggest them a better processor option, so they can achieve binary compatibility.

MPC8610. An e600 (aka G4) based SoC, a bit old but pretty suited for Amiga/MorphOS things. e600 comes with Altivec. The 8610 has a fast bus, resonable heat dissipation, most things on chip, is not too expensive (the lower clocked versions at least).

[Heiroglyph]

MPC8610. An e600 (aka G4) based SoC, a bit old but pretty suited for Amiga/MorphOS things. e600 comes with Altivec. The 8610 has a fast bus, resonable heat dissipation, most things on chip, is not too expensive (the lower clocked versions at least).

Those are about twice the cost, don't have SATA and can't use DDR3 but I'm sure there are upsides to the 8610 as well.

That's what I notice at a glance and price varies from place to place, I'm not sure what their choice was actually based on.

To me, the upside of potentially running existing PPC software isn't really a factor when you consider the improbability of OS support.

[Crumb]

To me, the upside of potentially running existing PPC software isn't really a factor when you consider the improbability of OS support.

Then a x86 cpu running a 680x0 JIT (and perhaps PPC JIT to emulate CSPPC) may be perfect.

[Kesa]

You just had to point that out did not you?

I mean there is a whole universe out there with things happening all around us but no, you just had to make a post where you explicitly had to point out that I was wrong about something and you where right about something.

Did it make you feel better?!

Nope Piru is right.

Speaking for myself i have about 20000 mp3 files in my collection. But you're right - no-one uses mp3 anymore...

[kedawa]

I prefer flac, actually.

[commodorejohn]

I prefer flac, actually.

As do I, but dang, man, I ain't made of disk space! I reserve FLAC pretty much for my own audio projects and archival of works that would be hard to re-obtain.

[Heiroglyph]

Then a x86 cpu running a 680x0 JIT (and perhaps PPC JIT to emulate CSPPC) may be perfect.

I don't disagree, but this card might actually be available at some point.

For price to performance this CPU is probably a pretty good balance.

[TheBilgeRat]

I don't disagree, but this card might actually be available at some point.

For price to performance this CPU is probably a pretty good balance.

If the price is right I could care less about the PPC - as long as it makes all the peripherals work its worth it to me.

3840 + sourcing all those peripherals separately or a slightly faster 3840 with 128MB of ram and every accessory that normally costs hundreds of dollars each? Worth it even if the PPC is crap and the 040 on board.

[Kesa]

SNIFF SNIFF. I smell Duce in the vicinity.

[Duce]

Even if this thing ends up as an '040 accel, if it offers all the goodies like RAM expansion, USB, network, etc. that it promises to - it will be an absolute godsend for 3000/4000 owners.

Just do the math - how much have you guys with real nice 3000/4000 systems with all the more modern bells and whistles invested on little crap like USB cards, network cards, accels, gfx cards?  Thousands, over the years.

I got rid of my A4000 back in the day because I didn't feel like shelling out $250 for an Ethernet card to get it on the modern net.  I bought a PC that had onboard ethernet, great audio, great video, high speed expandable ram, etc.

I wish I had something like this Ultimate PPC card back then - if it's priced fairly I may even build myself up another legacy Amiga.  Hope it sees the light of day.

[Kesa]

Yep.

[itix]

Even if this thing ends up as an '040 accel, if it offers all the goodies like RAM expansion, USB, network, etc. that it promises to - it will be an absolute godsend for 3000/4000 owners.

 Shame that anything beyond 128 MB is unreachable by Zorro DMA.