Weekly update about CSPPC at DCE

[x56h34]

I'm sorry if I offended you, but your response "why the hell, Ron should help "some" of us and not others?" was IMO rude and a misinterpretation of what I originally wrote.

[Acill]

Dont make this thread into an argument one. This is where we need to post any feedback from this case and also for others to get information from me so they can email the police. I am hoping this comes to a good ending soon. Maybe someone actually sedning the law after DCE for once will give them a much needed wake up call.

[takemehomegrandma]

I really don't think that Ron should bother doing anything more about
this now ...

[drk]

that's right TMHGM, why should Ron waste his time on these guys who are daring to take a valued partner of BBRV to court? I mean I bet none of them have bought 4 pegasos! Peasants the lot of them!

K

[Framiga]

hi drk

. . . .sarcasm? ;-)

anyway, i would like to precise that Ron van Herk, isn't a mere BB&RV "slave".

Ron has an its own Company and first of ALL, he is a person (i hope for him . . . free).

I've NEVER thought not even for a second, that BB could have helped us in this matter (conflict of interest?!?).

. . but on Ron's help, like person and ComputerCity owner. yes.

The peoblem ATM (as i already said) is that really Ron can't reach nobody to DCE . . . seems quite impossible but it is.

Therefore, i thanks newly Ron for what he has made for us (1 board -a SCSI KIT- is come back to the owner thanks to Ron).

Cheers

[takemehomegrandma]

@ drk

That post of yours was just so full of crap so I don't know why I am
bothering to answer it. No-one has been "taken to court" (and don't be
surprised if no-one will be either), you mention BBRV and the Pegasos
just to get them mentioned in conjunction to this mess, and you try to
make it look like I would in any way look down upon the people who has
these problems. That is simply not true! Your post was inflamatory and
perhaps you and your posts might belong better on Moo-bunny among the
other trolls?

My point was that Ron has really bent over backwards to solve this
situation in a constructive and creative way, not because he had to,
but because solving issues in good spirit is always better to everyone
involved than playing hard ball. And AFAIK he was doing fine. Progress
was being made, lots of people got their boards back and as far as I
understand a solution was coming up for those who still were left. But
then some people decided that solving issues "the Ron way", in good
spirit, was no longer possible, thus considereing Ron's effort to be a
failure and not the way to go. The time, resources and energy spent to
solve this situation was probably spent only to avoid exactly what now
has happened. That effort obviously failed, and the new contact in
this case is "Manfred Vomschloss", not Ron.

Another thing, this thread (and the other) has been going on non-stop
for a year now. And it seems like it's only mostly the same 2-4 people
that posts here. Amiga.org is an amiga community portal, and I would
like to raise the question if these threads really falls within the
scope of interest to the whole general community, or if it mostly
interests the people involved (which also should be fewer now than
before, thanks to Ron's effort)? Of course I understand that
not every thread is interesting to everyone, and they shouldn't
be either. I don't mind seeing threads here that are of no
interest to me, it's not that, but this has been going on for
*so darn long now* and only a few people seems to be interested
anyway. Perhaps you who are involved in this could set up some kind of
a private mailing list or a Yahoo "action" group or something instead,
and then come back to make an announcement about how things solved in
the end when it's all finished, so we all will know how things ended?
IMHO, that would be a nice thing to do ...

[drk]

@framiga
First of all I must apologise for getting involved in this thread. I hope you and all the rest of the guys who are affected have a satisfactory resolution to this. Also I recognise that Ron has done good work in trying to help.

@tmhg
You think my post is full of crap? Well I think exactly the same of your head. Your mindless cheerleading of BBRV as the new saviour of the amiga community just grates with me. BBRV has stated that he is proud that DCE is a valued partner of genesi. Given his monitoring of the fora, I doubt he is unaware of this thread, yet although he is in a position to do some thing about it, he remains silent.

Lets not beat about the bush, this community is haunted by liars thieves and idiots. There are also a majority of good guys though and in this latter group I rank bplan, morphos guys, OS4 team and grudgingly Eyetech. I applaud them.

I think this thread should be left exactly where it is until resolution is reached to the satisfaction of the guys who have been defrauded to date. It is, in fact, a vital element of Amiga News way above the importance of either AInc or BBRV marketing drivel. I suggest that unless you have information to counter the arguments of the guys who have been without their legally bought goods for too long, then keep your ignorant nose out of it. As I shall do. If you wish to pursue this further then by all means email me rather than pollute this valid thread any further.

K

[Jose]

@takemahomegranma

"...and I would like to raise the question if these threads really falls within the scope of interest to the whole general community, or if it mostlyinterests the people involved (which also should be fewer now than..."

OF COURSE!!!
I want to know how my fellow Amigans are doing so that I will never send anythingn to DCE or support them by any means.
If I was in their situation and it was possible, I'd take these {bleep}s to court...FFS people have asked them to send back the cards without fixing them and that was what a year ago? more?
Please keep us up to date.

[Ryu]

I think this thread is vitally important to the community. I read it every time I see it popup on the front page, its interesting to follow the twists and turns of this battle.

And in your own words TMHG "Another thing, this thread (and the other) has been going on non-stop
for a year now"

Exactly, a whole year and more has passed and the situation still hasnt be resolved. In part it has, a hand full of people have got boards back, but a lot havent. So I dont blame them for talking about it here, so every one of us can follow and take note of just how DCE choose to treat its customers.

But in closing of this post I'd like to ask all of you to stop arguing about this petyness, this thread is about getting boards back and repaired noting else. If you want to continue the Genesi thing take it to another thread away from here.

[Acill]

You know I am the one that started it in a legal war now. I didnt want to do it. DCE had had my card in now for three years. Three! It was sent in for WARRENTY replacement or to be fixed. It should have been an open and shut case. When Ron came and said DCE is making a new batch to replace the warrenty ones. They were to be done no later then four months. Now its been a full year and they are eight monts over due. I think DCE has just made more excuses to cover there lack of interest in resolving this. They have even taken off the Amiga repair and products section from the DCE web site in case anyone hasent noticed. They see this and know exactly whats up. If your all trully tired of this thread then let me know and I will stop telling you whats going on. But the heck if I have any shame for what I have done. I know Ron did his best, but he was taken advantage of just like the rest of us. I would even say I am the first to even follow through with legal action against DCE. Maybe when the summons hits Dellerts hands he will get the wake up call he needs.

[Morley]

Think I'll have to agre with Acill and Ryu, this is an important thread to keep alive.

I'm not one of those who got ripped off by DCE, but I'm interrested in the case and how it ends, just out of curiosity. TMHG, If this thread pesters you, it's just like on the TV, don't look, change channels. There are enough other threads to look at.
As for the thread itself, it's been going for a year and is still amazingly on-topic :lol: , a little bit unusual.

Something that would be interesting was to check out how many sent the board to DCE directly, and how many sent the board to resellers that actually owe DCE money, which I saw mentioned earlier.

[Framiga]

If your all trully tired of this thread then let me know and I will stop telling you whats going on

don't care Acill . . . i know it is difficult doesn't answer to the provocations but . . . i personally have started this and the other thread.

Me, you and many other, are still waiting from 3 years too.

So this thread is our and only a moderator or we (if necessary) could stop it and not the first that has been waked up with the wrong foot. ;-)

Ciao

 

[takemehomegrandma]

@ drk

I only read a couple of lines in your post, and it became clear that you are just a mindless troll. I rest my case there, and it was IMHO quite unnecessary of you to pollute this thread in the way you just did! :-(


@ José

Yes, OF COURSE I am interested in how this solves in the end too, that was not my point. It's that amiga.org gets flooded with IMO quite pointless comments like "No boards today", "no boards today either", "DCE really sucks today too", and so on. I don't mind this par se, but it has been going on for *so darn long* now, and all there is is void! How meaningful is that? *A YEAR* of comments, from the same people, saying the same thing! "Nope, nothing today either". Is there perhaps another (a better) way to make these kind of status updates?


@ Ryu

So, now you have some 200+ pages of notes from the whole last year(+), saying "nope, no boards today", "DCE sucks", "no boards today either", "DCE sucks today too because I didn't get my board since my last post", endless comments from the same 2-4 people? A real "community treasure", right? Look, I *am not* saying that this endless saga isn't important. If that is what you think, please read my post again. I am personally very interested to see how this mess solves in the end. I only question the way it's being done and channel for the information! BTW, Ron has IMHO done a great job in this mess, many people has a lot of reasons to be thankful about his efforts but other than that, this is *not* a "Genesi thing" ...


@ Morley

I have no problems in ignoring threads that I don't find to be interesting, I do that all the time, and so does everyone else I guess. If you read my post above you would see that my point wasn't about that. And *I DO* think that this is important. Look, one thing I am very interested in right now is how MorphOS is climbing on a daily basis among the other platforms in the RC5-72 effort. There are daily statistics about this, which I and at least a hundred(s) of other community people (and amiga.org readers) follows with great interest. How about I post, every day, a status update in this general community forum about this? Every day, every day FOR A YEAR! It would be very interesting comments, like "yesterday we crunched some 3,300 packs", and the next day "yesterday we only crunced 3,100 packs, bohoo", and the day after that "yesterday we crunched 3,500 packs, yippie!". Every day, for a year. Would that be OK, or would perhaps a dedicated webpage, a mailing list or a yahoo group or similar be better suited for such regular updates? I think so! That's my point, not that it's not important or should be taken away from the community, not at all. The ones who are really interested in every single step of the developments in this mess can find that kind of information, through a better suited channel. The rest of us would probably be more interested in some kind of a summary of it all when it's done.


@ Framiga

Ah, come on, I did not try to provoce anyone; if that would have been my intention, you would have noticed for sure! I am not trying to put neither you nor your "information" away from the community, so please relax! ;-) My point was that a page like this is far better for regular updates. Create a dedicated webpage, a "diary", a mailing list, a yahoo group or such, and invite all involved/really interested people. And then come back to the rest of the community with a summary of how things went when it's over.

[Framiga]

Hi all,

. . . . sorry, no news from DCE :-D

Ciao

PS- exscuse me Ryu . .  .i haven't been able to resist :-)

[Morley]

@TMHG
Okey, I see your point now, and I understand it. Only problem is nothing is happening, no boards are coming back. So the entire thread just repeats itself, sadly...

How many people are missing their boards? Are DCE sticking to the boards because the dealers involved owe them money or are they plain thieves?

[Framiga]

Hi Morley,

the second you said.

Ciao