Weekly update about CSPPC at DCE

[Framiga]

Hi Morley,

the second you said.

Ciao

[takemehomegrandma]

Morley wrote:
@TMHG
Okey, I see your point now, and I understand it. Only problem is nothing is happening, no boards are coming back. So the entire thread just repeats itself, sadly...

How many people are missing their boards? Are DCE sticking to the boards because the dealers involved owe them money or are they plain thieves?

AFAIK, Ron would be the most secure resource for that kind of information. Perhaps he should post some exact numbers once an for all, for the record of history if for no other reasons, since I have a feeling that the numbers of people actual helped tends to "decrease" in public discussions, and the numbers of people who are still waiting tends to "increase" in the same discussions. It's a mess for sure, and DCE has handled this in an awful way, but they might not be the only ones to blame. I recall I read before (from Ron?) that some of the (former?) amiga dealers were less honest about this too, some of them simply sold the repaired boards as new to other customers. Perhaps some users are trying to take advantage of the situation as well (fraud)? Perhaps it all will come into the light now when "Inspector Manfred" is in da house? There must be some records kept that at least partly shows the connections? But I recall that Ron said that it all was "a mess", so perhaps it won't be any easier for "Manfred" to sort things out? If things would have been really easy, then I think it would have been sorted out long time ago, because this mess can't be a lot of fun *for anyone* involved ...

[Framiga]

hi takemehomegrandma

listen to me . . . ALL the "ex-missed" boards at DCE, are been found by Ron (some months ago) and they have a name a surname and a valid S/N with ALL the related receipt. THEY ARE THERE!!!!

The problem (as already said) is that ATM Ron Van Herk ISN'T be able to reach/contact/meet nobody at DCE.

He is gone personally to DCE for its jobs (NOT Genesi related) and they haven't open the door!!!!!

It is SAD but it is the truth.

Forget Genesi about this matter.

Don't worry TMHG . . . . nobody is asking nothing to Genesi about this matter, no more.

Ciao

 

[Acill]

Well I have given up on this. I will not push any longer to reach DCE. Since its in the hand of German law now I hope something will come back from it in a good way. My Amiga is sold and I have a Pegasos II on the way. DCE made even, what a funny ending. I still cant believe I ended up supporting them in the end like that!

[Framiga]

Hi all,

so guys . . . have we lost the battle?

Today i've contacted again Dellert and

michael.steinicke@dcecom.de (the mail adress is still on the webpage but closed ATM).

After the first answer, from the:

Krimalpolizei Oberhausencriminal police kk21 Friedensplatz2-5 D-46045 Oberhausen

that has opened a file about:

File number of Krimalpolizei Oberhausen is####0-######-04/9

no more answer from them too.

What can we do more?

Cheers

[Framiga]

OK. . . no one interested no more?

Now the last chanche (at least for us) will be to go personally to Oberhausen, speak directly with the Police in place and then go to Dellert.

Summer is near . . and from Italy isn't so far.

Cheers

 

[Acill]

I'm still interested, but I get no reply from Dellert when I call. I cant go since its to far. The police havent given a reply yet. If you do get doen there let me know. I want my working board bac or at least a refund. Remember mine was sent in as a warrenty item!

I did give up after selling off my Amiga and switching to this Pegasos II. I still have the A3000+ though not doing anything that a CSPPC would work in!!

[Framiga]

Hi Acill,

i've just contacted the Krimalpolizei Oberhausen again.

I'm waiting for a reply (already received read reply)

I prefer to wait the Police help, before to decide when to go to Oberhausen.

Don't worry Acill . . . this story isn't finished as Dellert and his gang hopes.

Ciao

 

[DeQuevedo]

I still want my CSPPC. I have our beloved 4k (is of my brother and mine)  in no working condition, and thinking on selling the grex, and all the other godies, since its unuseable.

We hope that someday  get a mail telling me that our ppc will arrive at my home REPAIRED OR NOT (I always can try to repair ti myself, since is not the fist PPC I have repaired), but I have lost the last hope.

Best Luck

[Framiga]

Hi DeQuevedo,

obviously, i can't trade about cards that aren't mine . . .i'm sure that you all understand this.

The only thing that i can do, is to collect AGAIN, all tha names-models-SN before to go to DCE.

As soon as (and if) i'll receive an answer from the Polizei, i'll inform you all.

As usual i'm speaking in name of the VirtualWorks Company.

Ciao

BTW- is it posiible to know if someone else (other than Acill and me as VirtualWorks) has sent the mail to the Police?

If you are interested, i can post here the layout of the mail with all the info needed.

[Framiga]

@ All concerned,

i've just got a reply from the Oberhausen Polizeipraesidium.

I can't post here in public the mail (obviously) but i suggest you to contact them again.

They wants the following info:

- the purchase of the hardware
- the re-send of the complaint hardware
- the complete description of your contacts with DCE GmbH and Mr. Thomas Dellert or other members of DCE (by Phone, eMails, correspondence)

Send them by postal (original or copy) the following documents:

- order documents
- delivering documents
- invoice dokuments
- vouchers of payment
- documents of re-sending of the complaint hardware
- documents of contacts with DCE GmbH and Mr. Thomas Dellert or other members of DCE
- an exact list of your damage (hardware/price)

(For german justice these statements are necessary pieces of evidence)

For the address (postal and e-mail) contact the same as before.

Ciao

PS- as already said, this story isn't finished at all otherwise it is only the beginning and NOW, officially a CRIME.

[Acill]

I got this email as well, I dont have any recepts any more! Its been close to three years now since my card was sent off!

[Framiga]

@Acill

and you hope to have a feedback without a receipt?

What's happened Acill . . . .BB has contacted you?

Guys . . . .good luck

[Acill]

Like I said I gave up after Ron decided not to help any more. So good luck to you.

[TjLaZer]

May will be 3 years my card is in Germany.  This is really insane.  Do all german companies act like DCE?  What else can we do to get our cards back?  ARRRHGHHHH!!!

[Markus_Bieler]

Acill wrote:
I dont have any recepts any more!

Even no E-Mail etc? in your archive. The smallest evidence of proof of your card can help.

Sometimes the SN is handwritten into the manual.

If you sent the card as signatur-delivery (sorry don't know the correct term, swissgerman = Eingeschrieben)) then yor postoffice has at least a entry in their books. Ask for a copy

Perhaps your dealer,vendor has some infos etc in his books.

Even if you have no proofs. Let the German police know that you have sent a card to be repaired. So they know at least how many people have been threatened