FS: Cyberstorm PPC -DEFECTIVE-

[tone007]

But when you stick in cards like this that's a moot point. If you have a 233Mhz PPC with a graphics card and a sound card you've not only replaced the Amiga main CPU to an extent but the custom chips are replaced by non-Amiga parts and most likely PC hardware parts.

Replaced is the wrong word, the custom chipset is still present and usable, you've simply added more capabilities to the system.  Now you can run the old classic Amiga software and newer software that takes advantage of additional hardware.

An expanded Amiga isn't exactly an Amiga anymore. It just becomes a dongle to foreign hardware.

Complete nonsense.  An expanded Amiga is an expanded Amiga, capable of classic Amiga usage and beyond.

[rvo_nl]

Ha, I so agree with Tone007.

[Damion]

Not to mention, the Amiga came with an expansion bus and slots, CPU slot, etc, so it could be expanded. :whack: Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

[Virge]

.. my card .. :p

[psxphill]

Not to mention, the Amiga came with an expansion bus and slots, CPU slot, etc, so it could be expanded. :whack: Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

I guess it depends on what you expand it with. Adding a PPC and RTG was always a step too far for me. IMO the video slot is for a flicker fixer or genlock, the cpu slot is for a 680x0 accelerator.

[OhioAmiga]

Suprised someone hasnt mentioned it, but what if you want to run PPC programs under amiga os3.x, demos and such?

[spirantho]

I think the purists believe that because no Commodore Amigas came out with anything other than a 680x0, therefore it needs to be using a 680x0 to be an Amiga.

Personally, I don't understand this. The fact that an Amiga can use a PPC is testament to the versatility of the hardware and the software, and should be celebrated, not scorned. Just because it wasn't officially done by CBM doesn't mean it's not somehow "Amiga", IMHO.

[mousehouse]

Personally I find having the PPC as a co-processor under AmigaOS 3.x a very nice addition completely in line with the philosophy of the Amiga itself. Move CPU intensive tasks to co-processors... and when running 3.x, the PPC is nothing more than a co-processor.

You can use archivers, play MP3's, etc. where the big chunk of calculation work is handled by the PPC... provides a nice speedup while still running in the "true" classic OS - 3.x.

These cards fetch good value because they provide extra fun to the classic Amiga. Even though practical use of running something as AmigaOS4.1 on a classic box is limited, it's still fun. Which is exactly why we all keep these boxes running in the first place.

IMHO having additional hardware for these classical systems (Indivision, Deneb USB, PPC, ...) makes for continuing fun every day!

[rvo_nl]

Suprised someone hasnt mentioned it, but what if you want to run PPC programs under amiga os3.x, demos and such?

then what? whats your point? thats what we all did before OS4, right?

[OhioAmiga]

My point was to the guy who posted this:
 
Why is that? A G3 AmigaOne even is a lot faster and includes a full computer. So why all all these CyberStorms still so sought after?
 
Because they can do things an AmigaOne can't, run OS3.x programs with PPC support.

[spirantho]

I think there's two good reasons:
One is that you can run software on a classic that you can't run on new hardware, as even under OS4 it can use the native chipset.
Secondly there's the fact that people are attached to their old hardware. Maxing out a machine you've had for years can be quite a buzz.

And that's apart from the fact that the CS-PPC particularly is the fastest 68K accelerator out there too, so you get very fast OS 3.x compatibility to boot (including WHDload).

[rvo_nl]

AND on a1200 its the best route to get RTG by means of the bvision

[Vanilla]

@tone007

Now you can run the old classic Amiga software and newer software that takes advantage of additional hardware.

Not always. I've found even an 030 or 040 breaks certain software and games.

n expanded Amiga is an expanded Amiga, capable of classic Amiga usage and beyond.

Unless you can disable it your stuck in beyond land.

[Vanilla]

@Damion

Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.

[Vanilla]

@Damion

Trying to say that using those slots makes it a PC is pretty retarded!!

I wasn't saying that. Bui if you stick a Mediator and associated cards then that is a clear intent to replace onboard hardware with PC parts! Against a 24-bit truecolour chunky display and 16-bit sound AGA looses out.

[Vanilla]

Just because it wasn't officially done by CBM doesn't mean it's not somehow "Amiga", IMHO.

So where does the AmigaOne fit into that? ;-)