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Offline spirantho

Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #299 from previous page: May 08, 2012, 04:42:46 PM »
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community makes the impression of unity and that does not exist for a long time...


Actually, I think there really is a community, and quite a strong one at that.
The problem is that they tend to get on with being a community rather than spending all their time screaming and shouting about whose OS is better than whose, whose CPU is faster than whose, whose Dad could beat up whose Dad. That leaves all the noise to come from people who seem intent on re-starting the old Red vs. Blue wars of 6 years ago or whatever, so it seems much worse than it is.

As usual it's the minority that are the vocal ones, most people on this site are united by the fact that we all love Amigas - and there is still a community there, if you can seperate the wheat from the (very vocal) chaff.
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #300 on: May 08, 2012, 04:42:50 PM »
This reminds me of "Billsey" in his "glory days", when he was reading his webserver visitor logs searching for suspicious patterns and "thinking" he saw Bill Buck on the parking lot outside of his local super market, and came to the conclusion that "they were after him" (for being christian or whatever, since Bill Buck obviously was the Antichrist). Anyone remembers that? :lol:
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #301 on: May 08, 2012, 04:45:51 PM »
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:roflmao:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, or come with a formal threat of law-suit (I can imagine the letter that Hyperion sent to Commodore)



Once again, that is -not- how it works.
It is Amiga Inc.'s job to play the role of referee here. Hyperion did not write a complaint to CUSA.

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Offline AJCopland

Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #302 on: May 08, 2012, 04:52:27 PM »
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Yes, a better and kinder way would obviously be to send the pitbull lawyers without prior warning, and let them have their go. People wouldn't complain on forums if *that* happened!

:lol:


Dude the correct way is always the discreet way, first you email/PM you try to contact without involving - just for example - the entire internet Amiga community :(

Because when you do not take the discreet route you are yourself doing harm to anothers image and reputation by making out that what might have been an honest mistake was willful and intentional.

That harm is legally a real thing that can itself be illegal. You aren't meant to go around potentially libelling people - and "blueyonder.co.uk" is UK hosted and we do have some of the worst libel laws in the world btw - as your first course of action.

It's just not a sensible thing to do, especially when you don't even hold the Trademark in that country: http://www.ipo.gov.uk/t-find-adp?propnum=0896292001.

So yes, the right thing to do, if the Trademark owner was interested in this matter at all, would be to have engaged the lawyers to politely send a letter. It's not threatening, it's a request and it's the proper route.

It can be scary to receive one from a lawyer but it's the correct, and discreet, route.
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #303 on: May 08, 2012, 05:05:48 PM »
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Who is Erika? ...


She seems to be the family lawyer, daughter are someone.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx
« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 05:08:08 PM by Akiko »
 

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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #304 on: May 08, 2012, 05:14:30 PM »
thank you...
 

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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #305 on: May 08, 2012, 05:24:36 PM »
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She seems to be the family lawyer, daughter are someone.

http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_Corporate.aspx


Again we see the budget of C-USA.  Barry gets his daughter in New York to send nasty letters out for free in the hope that the person receiving them won't pay for a lawyer to file a harassment suit back.

It is unfortnately part of the "ambulance chasing" culture in the USA at the moment where "free" lawyers send out a constant stream of letters in the hope that someone settles out of court and they get to keep 60%.

At least I keep a lawyer on a retainer.
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #306 on: May 08, 2012, 05:34:10 PM »
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Dammy and TMHG lecturing about trolling, now I've seen it all.  Might as well trot the ghost of Hitler out in a pair of bunny slippers to lecture us about racial tolerance.  The irony is so high around here.  :roflmao:

The first guy being a guy that would just as soon see A.org be renamed
"cusaistheonlyamiga.really.com, the latter being a guy that can derail a thread about prices of tea in China into a MOS vs. OS4 war.

 


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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #307 on: May 08, 2012, 05:37:04 PM »
According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Amiga trademark was abandoned as of September 19, 2011.
 

Offline OlafS3

Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #308 on: May 08, 2012, 05:38:53 PM »
Really... ? Then it is not registered anymore? That means they have licensed a trademark that not exists anymore?
 

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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #309 on: May 08, 2012, 05:42:18 PM »
Which - if true - would mean that either Barry paid a lot for something that is worth $0.00, or else he actually didn't pay anything for it at all and wanted to make it seem like he did so he could tell everyone about how great he was for "uniting the Commodore and Amiga brands".
Interesting.
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #310 on: May 08, 2012, 05:44:08 PM »
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Also when I first announced that I was working on an A500-style case you emailed me saying that you were interested. I nearly fell for it.
Then the behaviour coming from you, CUSA and Barry made me change my mind. Something didn't add up.
Oh, this I didn't know. The added element of sour-grapes on their part explains things even further.

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Oh, go back and look for yourself, especially on AmigaWorld.net; *Many* people were utterly terrified of even the thought of someone else than Hyperion selling an Amiga like OS coupled with an Amiga branded computer, and expressed relief and appreciation when they learned of Hyperion's actions to prevent this.

I'm simply baffled by the double standards you people are showing here.
Hmm, maybe so then. In any case, I am not beholden to Hyperion, and I maintain the same opinion: this was petty revenge on the part of a company whose CEO has acted like a spoiled child from day one, and the only sad surprise here is that his relatively more sane underling has joined him in rude, counterproductive bullying of people the community actually cares about.

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Oh really? Well, you are *obviously* right; "TheDaddy" has spent, was it seven years? to craft himself some kind of case out of bent sheet metal. I'm sure he had fun doing it, but that's all there is to it! And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market!
Yes, yes, they did pay for reproduction C64 cases and put generic sub-par PCs in them and charge a lot of markup for them! An accomplishment indeed! Clearly more worthy of the community's devotion than a guy making things people really want, not jerking anybody around with made-up claims of hundreds of thousands of units in Wal-Marts around the country, and planning to charge a fair price for them!

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They have shown they have the financial means, the corporate infrastructure, the marketing, the knowledge, they have *the lot* to get uniquely designed, real, tangible, manufactured and branded products out of the door!
"The financial means" = "they have money." Big whoop, Trevor Dick has money too, and he made something comparatively expensive to the CUSA "Amiga" but much more interesting.

"The corporate infrastructure" = what, now? They paid to have a rapid-prototyping service roll a batch of cases, bought boards in mass quantities, and either paid someone to have them assembled or build them in their strip-mall office. Anybody with the money can do that.

"The marketing" is just laughable. Their marketing consisted of paying Disney for an ad spot nobody cared about, ballyhooing themselves to a handful of tech sites who gave their machines the dismissal they deserved, and spending two years persistently and thoroughly alienating the entire community that might have been interested in their products in the first place. Yeah, that's advertising expertise.

And yeah, they made some actual products. Big whoop; if the products are significantly-to-ludicrously overpriced generic PC clones in moderately-to-barely custom cases, who gives a damn? It's wasted effort in the best of cases. You might as well exalt a hobo for knowing where to get the best cheap bourbon.

Quote from: takemehomegrandma;692280
It was two short sentences, in a friendly tone, asking "TheDaddy" to not market his "product" using CUSA's licensed trade mark. Nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah, it was "friendly" in the same sense a mobster coming in and saying "nice shop you got here, be a shame if something happened to it" is "friendly." Leo's own admission that this was an act of petty revenge doesn't exactly make it sound any more legitimately good-natured, either.

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According to the United States Patent and Trademark Office, the Amiga trademark was abandoned as of September 19, 2011.
Well, someone hurry up and re-register it, then!
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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #312 on: May 08, 2012, 05:55:19 PM »
"This search session has expired. " those links say.
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Offline OlafS3

Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #313 on: May 08, 2012, 05:58:32 PM »
then you must search manually:
http://www.uspto.gov/

then Trademarks->basic search with the phrase amiga
in the list look at the two above "amiga forever"

here is a document in aminet:
http://aminet.net/package/docs/misc/Amiga-Trademarks
« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 06:02:38 PM by OlafS3 »
 

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Re: Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation
« Reply #314 on: May 08, 2012, 06:11:29 PM »
Wow what are the amiga grave robbers going to do now? Looks like ANYONE can use the amiga name and lettering for any purpose now.

Slap those amiga stickers back on your case... and LAUGH at cUsA!