Amiga Case Designer Faces Intimidation

[vox]

Bit of a correction, the license from Amiga Inc is no longer exclusive to just Amiga AIO's, but all Amiga computers.

This has never been announced at Amiga Inc OR C=USA website
 as official news, just rumored at forums. Without documents no faith in liars.

Oh, yes

In another thread you said you would remove the QL trademark from your materials as you cannot use it legally.
You seem to have created another image with the QL trademark present.

So its protecting images and learning to read now.

[Kesa]

@Darrin and the confused BAF's



Some of you guys are really incredible, do you know that?

First you think it's *morally OK* for Hyperion to intimidate Commodore USA for planning to ship AROS installed on their computers, since it would be an infringement to Hyperion's exclusive license from Amiga to ship Amiga OS 3.1 API based OS's under the "AmigaOS" brand?

But then you think it's *not* morally OK for Commodore USA for doing exactly the same thing to anyone infringing on *their* exclusive license from Amiga to ship "All In One" keyboard computers under the Amiga brand?

:confused:

Hyperion is different to CUSA as they actually contribute something to the community so they will tend to have some support.

But this is different. People don't like companies that step on the small people. A backyard  inventor invents something that makes the big corporate CUSA look bad so  they step on him. No-one likes a bully...

[haywirepc]

I think all the amiga grave robbers should go to hell.

All amiga enthusiasts would be much better off if amiga ip, amiga os and amiga like os systems, the name, the logos and everything were free and open source and open for anyone to use.

There is ALWAYS some amiga grave robber telling others they can't do things. Come on dude, thats ridiculous. Silly Billy has raped the amiga corpse long enough.

He can't even prove he HAS any of the rights he claims, because its all been mired in legal spaghetti for how many years now? Silly Billy also committed fraud with his corporate shell games.

I said it before and I'm sure I'm right, if everyone just started using the name, roms, logos, whatever they wouldn't be able to sue everyone. Their rights to everything would be gone in the space of 6 months.

Amiga should belong to its users, period.

[mongo]

Bit of a correction, the license from Amiga Inc is no longer exclusive to just Amiga AIO's, but all Amiga computers.

From http://www.commodoreusa.net

Amiga® trademark used under exclusive worldwide license by Commodore USA, LLC for its line of AIO (All-In-One) keyboard computers, and worldwide non-exclusive license for desktop, tower and HTPC computers, and is the trademark of Amiga Inc., registered in the United States and other countries.

[spirantho]

Actually, I think we should all say a big "Thank You" to Commodore USA.

Thanks to them, TheDaddy has got 10 times as much publicity as he had before they stepped with their Size 11s. This thread has had 7,600 views now on A.org, and the equivalent on AW.net has had several thousand also.

So thank-you, C=USA!

[TheDaddy]

@BigBen...

quote: We are not a big bad corporation but the very definition of the little guy.

That is not what you have been telling us for the last 2 years. Now that we know the real deal you are changing the tune...I am the smallest guy of them all.

quote: He can't feign ignorance that he was not doing anything wrong.

you can call me Loriano (like you did when you emailed me two years ago, wanting to know about my project, remember?) or TheDaddy (by the way it's just the first thing I could think of when I re-registered on amiga fora, I became a daddy, no delusions of granduer, unlike some)

quote: It was not an innocent mistake.

You keep saying that but it was innocent. Those are bits of paper resting (not even glued) on the case. I NEVER (look how naive I am) thought CUSA would have mounted this drama. They were for illustration purposes only, I was NEVER going to sell the cases with a logo. I am a designer not a thief.

quote: Given "The Daddy's" previous public attacks and contempt towards our company it was clearly intended as provocation and a publicity stunt.


LOL! And you are wrong again. Why do you keep damaging "your" (Barry's?) company like this?
The public attacks? If you think that finding out by chance (I didn't actively investigate CUSA's actions, I remembered seeing those photos somewhere else) that you were misleading and trying to pass the Fujitsu manufacturing plant in Germany as your Chinese assembly line is a public attack then you've got it all wrong. Your company boasted chinese manufacturing, warehouses full of C64x boards (those were NOT).

Also when I first announced that I was working on an A500-style case you emailed me saying that you were interested. I nearly fell for it.
Then the behaviour coming from you, CUSA and Barry made me change my mind. Something didn't add up.

quote: We don't post here for the advertising, let me assure you

Oh really? Your company HAS BEEN FOUNDED on amiga.org and amigaworld.net traffic you have generated with your threads. Come on man. You are digging deeper and deeper.

This has nothing to do with trademarks, this is a petty revenge. You even said that yourself! Anyway photos altered, video altered, another missed opportunity.

[Kesa]

I'm glad you grew a set of balls. You know what is going to happen now don't you? Nothing. Once you stand up to a bully nothing ever happens.

I only wish that other guy from OSnews would grow a set and stop being scared.

[TheDaddy]

I'm glad you grew a set of balls. You know what is going to happen now don't you? Nothing. Once you stand up to a bully nothing ever happens.

I only wish that other guy from OSnews would grow a set and stop being scared.

Kesa...LOL!

I took them off, I was surprised to be honest as I knew that it would backfire incredibly and also what a missed opportunity, pubblicity wise, hundreds of people are going to watch the video, thousands maybe the photos...anyway...I took them off and edited everything, it only took a few hours, getting better with Paint and would do the same if Hyperion, ACube or AROS asked me. CUSA obviously doesn't need free pubblicity...oh wait...The case comes blank...LOL!

[haywirepc]

Thats awesome. Good for you getting lots of free publicity for your project because of those retards. Lets hope they crawl back under their rock and leave the real people keeping amiga alive alone.

I love how they say they are the little guy, after claiming to have a 30 million dollar ad budget, and claiming to have chinese manufacturing plants. I agree with you, exposing a bold faced lie is not a public attack. Its simply the truth.

[OlafS3]

Gratulation again for your work :-) We need active members that build something

@BigBen
It was become known that Apple "doubted" the legality of some OpenSource products in a email, that created a "storm" in the web and I never heard anything about it. In the time of the internet informations and news spread in seconds across the whole world so it would be better not to make any "friendly" statements but to pm him and I am sure he would have removed it. By making this in the public you have made yourself to the "bad guys" in the community (if it was legal or not). And people dislike to buy from companies they regard as bad. That is the case with Apple that has many "fans" and also a lot of people that would never buy a product from the company. The amiga-community consists of several thousands users and propably everyone now knows what has happened. So from a marketing point of view it was not a very wise decision, propably driven by emotions.

[darkage]

May the man with the best case win!  (glossy one)   Geez turning into an epic thread I bet!

[tone007]

My guess is TheDaddy has a much better chance of a return on his investment than the CUSA clownshow. More importantly, it's obvious he has the support of the community.

If I had any use for a desktop machine, I'd definitely be in for one of these cases.

[prowler]

If I had any use for a desktop machine, I'd definitely be in for one of these cases.

If it came in black, I would have been tempted to get one as a new case for my Sam440ep. The PSU is getting flaky on the ITX case I have and I will need to get a new case for it in the next few months and after looking at TheDaddy's case, a black version would be tempting.

[takemehomegrandma]

Who was saying that? Nobody that I noticed.

Oh, go back and look for yourself, especially on AmigaWorld.net; *Many* people were utterly terrified of even the thought of someone else than Hyperion selling an Amiga like OS coupled with an Amiga branded computer, and expressed relief and appreciation when they learned of Hyperion's actions to prevent this. Several of those people are here now in this thread, equally upset when Commodore USA tries to protect their license in exactly the same way as Hyperion did, to such a degree that they launch, build up, and carefully maintain a 16 page/233+ posts *hate thread* because of this! It's easy to spot who they are! Double standards in the land of Hypocrisy! It's not even a real issue, nothing has been sold for real, and no law suit has taken place. Geez... :rolleyes:

Is drawing a Commodore logo on an Etch-a-Sketch trademark infringement? Is doodling it in sidewalk chalk trademark infringement?

If you use pictures of this to showcase/market your product, then Yes Absolutely, in exactly the same way it would be an infringement if you used images of a sidewalk chalk drawing that pictures a Nike logotype to market clothes or shoes!

People don't like companies that step on the small people.

So if I come up with the bright idea of producing a refreshing Cola Beverage called "Coca Coola" (an extra "o") and mimic the Coca Cola red/white logotype in my presentation/marketing of this, I would have the right to do so as long as I'm a "small people"? That's utter *bullsh!t*, laws apply to everyone, big as small! If I had done that, I would have deserved every *friendly(!!) letter*, asking me refrain from doing this, that I would get! Is this *really* so difficult to understand?

But TheDaddy isn't selling a computer, he's selling a case. An unbranded case. He's made it quite clear that what stickers you put on it are up to the buyer.

If I as a new "Coca Coola" producer would use suggestive pictures of my "Coca Coola" logotyped product to spread the news about it to the world prior to putting it up for sale, building up interest thanks to this, only to then say "I won't ship those labels myself, it's up to the users to put those on themselves", do you *really* think this is OK?

I'm simply baffled by the double standards you people are showing here.

[OlafS3]

We should not start a "Hyperion bashing" here. Generally speaking using laws to restrict competition is mostly not very well seen by many people and "Amiga" is still sth. very emotional for most here.  In this case here it is "big" versus "small" or (more propably) "small" versus "very small". CUSA should have managed it better more discretely to avoid a thread like this.

[takemehomegrandma]

My guess is TheDaddy has a much better chance of a return on his investment than the CUSA clownshow.

Oh really? Well, you are *obviously* right; "TheDaddy" has spent, was it seven years? to craft himself some kind of case out of bent sheet metal. I'm sure he had fun doing it, but that's all there is to it! And look at what Commodore did during just the last few years, you may not like them, but you are a *fool* if you try to deny them the fact that they *did* get the rights to use the Commodore brand, they *did* get the rights to use the Amiga brand. They *did* put the C64x to the market! They have shown they have the financial means, the corporate infrastructure, the marketing, the knowledge, they have *the lot* to get uniquely designed, real, tangible, manufactured and branded products out of the door! What has "TheDaddy" shown? Well, that he has access to sheet metal, a jig saw, paint, seven years, and some dream of selling something using the Amiga brand without having the rights to do so. I don't know what it's worth, but I don't see him listed as partner on Disneys Tron webpage? Maybe you have some kind of inability to spot all these differencies, but I don't. So I definitely have a different view on which of those two "clown shows" that has the better chance of a return on investments, and it *won't* be the clown show creating endless threads like this, using his "case" as ammo in their *spamming* of Amiga boards with *Endless Commodore Hatred*! That simply won't bring *anything* positive in return, nothing at all!

This whole thread (and all the other CUSA Hate Threads as well) is just SPAM!

:mad: