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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #344 from previous page: April 27, 2012, 01:20:06 AM »
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Linky

http://m.prnewswire.com/news-releases/commodore-usa-appoints-korey-kay-102977849.html

It's still on the CommodoreUSA press release site too. Bet they will be zapping that one.


LOL.  So they admit it was a lie (and it wasn't their idea, oh no!) and yet we have it in black and white that they set it up right from the start.  Brilliant.  :)

I like this line:

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Commodore USA, LLC designs, produces and markets a series of all-in-one Commodore and Amiga branded keyboard computers, and other unique form factor computers and consumer electronics.


So back in September C-USA was claiming it produced and marketed a series of Amiga branded computers and yet here we are in April and they're showing us demo models of someone else's case.  Does... not... compute...
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #345 on: April 27, 2012, 01:30:34 AM »
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Don't forget Dammy's phone call with Barry about $20,000+ Amiga's.

http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/8551-phone-call-with-barry

Don't forget to add $10 to that since you have to buy Amiga Forever yourself.


Another classic from over 7 months ago:

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Dammy:  "I just got off a long phone call with Barry. Barry apologizes for the delay in answering the questions we asked awhile ago, but he is busy living a real life fairy tale."


Was Pinocchio classed as a fairytale?

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Dammy:  "He wanted me to replay that the AIO keyboards are have seals. If you spill something on the keyboard, just wipe it off (or a damp rag if it's soda because of the acid). Keyboards are replaceable."


Shame that a huge company like that has to use fanboys to inform customers of a product's specifications.  Still, a "wank-proof" keyboard should keep Dammy happy.

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Dammy:  "Yes, there is going to be unbelievable amount of games that will come on the preinstalled hard drives."


He forgot to add "and they're also downloadable for free off the internet."

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Dammy:  "There will be multiple options on what OS you can get pre-installed which you can boot from."


Yes, you can ask for COS or Linux Mint.
 
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Dammy:  "They are working on a app store, devs will pick what price they want (if any) to sell it for."


If only the Webmaster can work out from his copy of "Website Design For Dummies" how to implement it.  7 months obviously isn't long enough.
 
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Dammy:  "Amiga information will be coming out in the next 14 or so days. He was hoping it will be in the next couple of days but it might be a couple of weeks. Again, he is time is extremely limited. Amiga will using all high end hardware (i7) with price for AIO starting around $2K and going upwards into the $20K plus zone. Amiga will be targeting the pro home user and professionals."


High end CPU and low end everything else.  Still, not as high as the price.  Still, at least their $20k model will make the X1000 look cheap.

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Dammy:  "Very exciting times "


"Comedy Gold" more like it.  :D
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #346 on: April 27, 2012, 01:37:09 AM »
Keyboard computers, that must be a tiny keyboard on the Amiga Mini since I can't see it.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #347 on: April 27, 2012, 04:35:48 AM »
People are ridiculously self righteous about this.

It is ok to have threads about windows phones on the front page.

How're cusa which is Amiga related is not allowed.

Like it or not they have the rights to use the Amiga name.  That makes them of interest to the amiga community.

Some people on here are so elitist and condescending towards anything that doesn't fit within their narrow definition of an Amiga.  These are the ones ruining the boar with their trolling.

I will never buy a pc with an Amiga logo printed on it.  That doesn't mean we can't debate it.
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #348 on: April 27, 2012, 05:42:34 AM »
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People are ridiculously self righteous about this.

It is ok to have threads about windows phones on the front page.

How're cusa which is Amiga related is not allowed.


I don't like those threads either but they're started by other Amigans not the manufacturer.

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Like it or not they have the rights to use the Amiga name.  That makes them of interest to the amiga community.

They do indeed have that right however calling PCs with Linux in HTPC cases "Amiga" disaster/scam is our only interest. Perhaps Google search results willhelp keep fools from parting with their $$$

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Some people on here are so elitist and condescending towards anything that doesn't fit within their narrow definition of an Amiga.  These are the ones ruining the boar with their trolling.


Not really, FREE engraved Amiga logo by Chinese manufacturer and some money paid to Amiga Inc is as Amiga as their overprice HTPC Wintel machine gets. Not even AROS tested.

If you don't like me trying to stop some clueless scum trying to rape one of my childhood brands today then just skip this thread. I'm morally on the high ground here vs C=USA sorry.

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I will never buy a pc with an Amiga logo printed on it.  That doesn't mean we can't debate it.


We are debating every aspect of this lamentable situation here!

Until C=USA make an effort it is my duty to tell people the TRUTH!
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #349 on: April 27, 2012, 08:35:34 AM »
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In short, we can’t trust a word these guys say and the big question is, why are they lying? Are they doing it to look stupid or are they doing it for potential financial gain?

I'm willing to accept it's incompetence.
 
I don't recall them claiming that every motherboard in the picture was for a c64x, just that it was the factory that was assembling them. If did then yes they were lying but it was probably just to make themselves look better, which is basically marketing. If so then it backfired and continuing to worry about it is not healthy.
 
Why do you care so much? Every single piece of marketing is just as unreliable. Anyone who invested money in them would easily have invested in some other get rich quick scheme, so the outcome would be the same. A fool and their money are easily parted.
 
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If you don't like me trying to stop some clueless scum trying to rape one of my childhood brands today then just skip this thread. I'm morally on the high ground here vs C=USA sorry.



We are debating every aspect of this lamentable situation here!

Until C=USA make an effort it is my duty to tell people the TRUTH!

Boring. It's business, morals have no place.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #350 on: April 27, 2012, 11:27:07 AM »
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Another classic from over 7 months ago:



Was Pinocchio classed as a fairytale?



Shame that a huge company like that has to use fanboys to inform customers of a product's specifications.  Still, a "wank-proof" keyboard should keep Dammy happy.



He forgot to add "and they're also downloadable for free off the internet."



Yes, you can ask for COS or Linux Mint.
 


If only the Webmaster can work out from his copy of "Website Design For Dummies" how to implement it.  7 months obviously isn't long enough.
 


High end CPU and low end everything else.  Still, not as high as the price.  Still, at least their $20k model will make the X1000 look cheap.



"Comedy Gold" more like it.  :D


ROTFLMAO!... Darrin, keep these posts coming.. haven't laughed this much in ages :D
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #351 on: April 27, 2012, 12:29:22 PM »
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I have shortly read the paragraphs regarding the existing community and it is clear that they have not invested anything and will not ("waste of money"). Aros would be the only interesting for them (X86) but they are not allowed to do (AmigaInc/Hyperion) and because of that they will never invest just one cent in it. All 68k projects are interesting but they will not invest, PPC is not interesting and they would never invest in a port of AOS or MorphOS and besides they want to control the OS. Therefore all closed source OSs are not interesting. So we know what we all can expect of them. Nothing. What I do not understand why they keep on trying to get on amigasites in the news if they are not interested in the community.


"Commodore USA, LLC." can not because that would and could violate the ruling of a U.S. Judge which nevertheless could be appealed by measures of statutory reasons BUT that is problematic because it was a settlement and ruling of a settlement and became contractual.

However, Barry can personally invest legally as an LLC. is by statutes a sepaerate "person" by statutes fro Barry. It is a seperate entity. Now, "person" in laws have been standardly stated in virtually all federal and states, as any "natural person", corporation, limited liability partnership, limited liability company, etc. Natural person has a specific meaning.

Barry may personally donate but that is not about Commodore USA, LLC. That is seperate matters. Keep that in mind. Violating court judgement when knowing the ramifications can be quite serious.

Those of you less then savory type might know what contempt of court ramifications are. Think bigger fines and federal prison in this case. Not worth it.

The legal contestment is that the conditions of ruling must be enforceable and rational. Does the ruling meet the rational basis review test. Did it violate Amiga's ownership rights to begin with and Amiga's right as copyright holder to terminate a contract. So to the equitable capacity of hyperion, it probably isn't an issue of whether or not, Commodore USA / Amiga Inc. Terminate hyperion license and equitable revenue of Amiga OS. The problem at some point is that it become systemically moot.

Hyperion only has license of a copyright not a patent. No copyright protection over Intuition and user interface concept. Amiga copyright only extends to software code and art but does not cover user interfaces which requires patenting. That patent expired. It is public domain and because of that, Hyperion has no standing on patent. The standing of case is merely Hyperions code contribution between 3.1 to 4.1. Hyperion's framework of code is largely PPC matters and if all PPC code which is C/C++ source or PPC assembly would be moot to different computing platform.

Precedence of judicial rulings on threshold of "__________-like" in software must be kept. For license and matters to apply, it must deemed work derivative to which Hyperion has ultimate right over. Then what is the point.

I can certainly use a UI feel that follows expired patent and license Commodore and because it is completely different code base, hyperion wouldn't have a copyright ground because there is no statutory authority to copyright laws for protecting user interface mechanics and no code from 68k or any Amiga or Hyperion source ever used. I can can put it in Java and hard compile it to binary x86. In turn, they have no equitable power over the outcome.

The precence of gary kildall vs. microsoft (the cp/m and MS-dos case must be bared in mind)

A style of feel of a user interface and the mechanics of that of an invented software is a patent thing. It expired and I have the patent file. In the end, it doesn't matter. That is yester-decades ago.

The problem with so many of you is you are demanding CommodoreUSA to fulfill Escom's bull**** and trying to start from 1993 tech. Guess what, motorola has stopped major advancement in the 68k processor. The fastest one is the 68k coldfire and some under the dragonball name from Motorola/Freescale. It is dated and slow. 266 MHz? Um... Well overclock... 300 Mhz.

My bone to pick with the nut jobs on this forum is in nearly 20 years since the last Amiga model was introduced, would you want an Amiga for your day to day regular mainstream computer that compares with your actual paid job or even the kind of job you had got your original Amiga. How many of you got the Amiga 4000 and other power house for movie and other professional graphics work. Would that Natami or other Amiga clones even meet the scrutiny and power and capability that your work place would need today. Would it meet the needs of George Lucas and others. Lets get serious. Amiga was the graphic minicomputer workstation for the masses that can sit on your desk. That kind of professional stature and ability is exactly the kind of stuff Amiga was remembered for. A modern Amiga line must model as a premier of quality graphics with strong grahic facilities. Amiga models with wacoms and various professional graphic software suites for the sectors in professional graphics like DTP, movie & TV CGI, CAD/Arch/engineering, etc.

This would re-signify it as a serious system for such.

Barry was very much in place where it really was used and knows first hand what Amiga was about for much of Amiga history beyond the video games which was captured in the Amiga 500 more then anything. The beefier Amigas were more seriously used. They weren't toys That you just dicked around with. Of course, a majority of you didn't have a 4000 or 4000T until they were surplused off or you finally got a job working for a cgi company that upgraded to SGI O2 and later models and pentium MMX PCs and just said taken em, dump em, whatever and you took em home.

Some was after sever passing around. Barry was a 1st gen user not 2nd gen. He was old enough to know more of what it was about as an adult vs. a child with fantacized imagery of how things were or a young teenager in high school breaking the law in piracy, hacking, cracking and what not along with cyber-"punk" theme demo culture with techno and other late 80s and early 90s metal. Many of you are late 30s, early 40s. Why haven't some of you guys made it big as big leading guys instead of falling out of the big time stuff. I think those issues lie with yourself not with the computer.

Some of you have problems and the computer became a security blanket.  That can be bad. If you can enjoy the commodore and amiga but not need it then you are good. If your life is too attached... That kind of fanaticism is a little kinky and wrong for your own sake. Ie. Tne Amiga computer wasn't meant to be our actual girlfriend. ( poke and jab joke but to make the bottom line point )

As to a modern computer product, it must be modern. The macs today are nothing like the old mac by hardware or its actual OS.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #352 on: April 27, 2012, 12:41:09 PM »
I partially agree with SWOS on this.

I don't know all the details so excuse if I miss some details.  I have no interest in CUSA, and largely ignored it, but if the guy wants to make pc boxes that have an Amiga logos.  Let him do it, and see what fruit his effort bear over time.  If he produces nothing or something, time will tell.  It's his money, I wish him well and hope his idea takes off for him.  Again, I'm not going to buy into it, but doesn't mean I want him to crash and burn.    

Same could be said concerning AOS4, Let Trevor and Hyperion do their plan and see what it produces.  You can criticize the X1000 on it's price or AOS4 lack of finish.  What good will it do?  Let them do there thing and see where it ends up.  Hope they sell lots of 1000's and copies of AOS.  I'm not going to buy into this offering either, but if they have lots of success it's good for the community.

MOS is still finishing 3.0 and only runs on hardware that is no longer in production.  MOS is not finished.  I own MOS and use it for my personal stuff, but I can't do all the things I can on my pc.  Wish the MOS guys well, hope 3.0 is a success and they sell lots of them.

We can all cast stones, why waste the energy and time.  I give the developers who port their apps to all the available Amiga platforms, lots of credit.  We need to unify the communities, to keep them afloat.  We desperately need new applications and new ideas to keep it moving, we need people to invest time and money into it.

Just my 10,000 cents (2 cents adjusted for inflation)
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #353 on: April 27, 2012, 12:43:50 PM »
Shutup,

Put your $$$$ to invest in the brand, company, acquiring the rights. Just because you bought the computer. I been an owner of Commodore computer as far back as the 80s. You have no invested interest in the IP.

Your interest is selfish and to your own personal gain. You don't believe anyone should buy and make money on the brand or that they are going to be some 1 hour a month bull **** business that does nothing. You guys don't buy new hardware.

If you can't really make Jens Schonfeld and others what their economic worth it, then I would have a hard time believing your intent to support. Even then, it is hard to classify him and some of these folks real businesses. They are supporting quasi-businesses. As for thee hobby and quasi-projects... It will only go so long and then what?  Maybe it is ti e the old hw is museum piece while you enjoy the spirit of it via emulation. Oh wait.... You already do that...well most of you.

How many of you use this for real life serious business and professional work use. If there is 100s of members registered to this forum and only a few talk, that isn't enough. 2-3 out of a 100... How many of you is it just a pass time weekend hobby. How much is it serious daily business and work use.



Quote from: Digiman;690628
I don't like those threads either but they're started by other Amigans not the manufacturer.


They do indeed have that right however calling PCs with Linux in HTPC cases "Amiga" disaster/scam is our only interest. Perhaps Google search results willhelp keep fools from parting with their $$$



Not really, FREE engraved Amiga logo by Chinese manufacturer and some money paid to Amiga Inc is as Amiga as their overprice HTPC Wintel machine gets. Not even AROS tested.

If you don't like me trying to stop some clueless scum trying to rape one of my childhood brands today then just skip this thread. I'm morally on the high ground here vs C=USA sorry.



We are debating every aspect of this lamentable situation here!

Until C=USA make an effort it is my duty to tell people the TRUTH!
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #354 on: April 27, 2012, 12:50:30 PM »
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I'm willing to accept it's incompetence.

 
Boring. It's business, morals have no place.


True, but even in bussiness there are even strict conduct of behaviour,
that punishes you heavily if you disrispect the customers.

C=USA just ain`t a good bussiness model.
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #355 on: April 27, 2012, 01:27:18 PM »
I don't think any of us here are under the delusion that the Amiga in any way - be it AOS, MOS or even CommodoreOS - is ever going to be a serious contender in the professional market. That market is completely sewn up, even attempting to is equivalent to corporate suicide.

The Amiga has long been about being a hobby platform, that's all. It's about enjoying using a computer. And no C=USA platform will do that for me, as it's all Linux, which I don't enjoy.

The serious market can keep their Windows and Linux boxes, and I'll keep my Amiga box. The two need never cross over. You don't need to be a big fish if you're in a niche market.
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #356 on: April 27, 2012, 01:51:29 PM »
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It's his money, I wish him well and hope his idea takes off for him. Again, I'm not going to buy into it, but doesn't mean I want him to crash and burn.

Yeah, I agree with you. I don't get why some people aren't happy with hating CUSA themselves, they want to make sure that everyone hates them.
 
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True, but even in bussiness there are even strict conduct of behaviour,
that punishes you heavily if you disrispect the customers.

C=USA just ain`t a good bussiness model.

In business you have to worry about consumer law & contract law. If they break a contract or one of their obligations to consumers then they can be punished, disrespecting your customers has no direct consequence. You just might find it harder to find new customers.
 
If you stopped using companies that didn't treat you with respect then you'd be sitting in the dark, cold & starving. All you can hope for is that they lie and say they respect you.
 
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(*) I have brand laziness for recurring revenue, constantly switching suppliers cost me time. However I do try to keep on top of it.
 

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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #357 on: April 27, 2012, 01:54:11 PM »
@wildstar128:

After that last post all I can say is "welcome back Barry".
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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #358 on: April 27, 2012, 01:55:23 PM »
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shutup,


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Re: CommodoreUSA CEO Interview Answers
« Reply #359 on: April 27, 2012, 02:03:58 PM »
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In business you have to worry about consumer law & contract law. If they break a contract or one of their obligations to consumers then they can be punished, disrespecting your customers has no direct consequence. You just might find it harder to find new customers.
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Well, we can say they are "driving on the edge" always testing limits of licences (Workbench 5 name, exact Amiga modeling, bundling with AROS, announcements that just prove to be fake) as well as customer patience.

It`s just isn`t a role model, think would you drive business same way if you were in charge. Even its retro time and globalization, as well as crisis. With Amiga its just different it`s not "just" retro, there is some community and it had some development, "a life after death", so C=USA isn`t a real comeback.

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