Weird issue with Amiga 600

[AmiDude]

My qualm is with the fact you cant seem to let it go.

You can't let it go neither, do you? You're just a bad loser!

This is my last attempt at diplomacy, either continue to carry on like a pork chop, or try your hand at behaving like an adult, your choice.

Said the childish person...

And for the rest of your b*lsh*t: Stop repeating yourself! You made an a*s of yourself allready.

[fishy_fiz]

Being a bad loser would require having lost. I havent.
Cant say Im surprised to see you responding this way though. When a person cant prove themselves, or if theyve been disproved and dont want to admit it they tend to behave this way. I tried my hand at diplomacy and extended an olive branch a few times, you showed everyone that youre not simply *acting* like a pork chop.

Cant show me any reference to your claims then I guess? If you was as confident as youre pretending you'd jump at the chance to prove me wrong, but instead took the aggressive response option.

As for my claims, take your pick of options from this page:
http://www.google.com.au/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&site=&source=hp&q=ide+vs+cf+seek+times&oq=ide+vs+cf+seek+times&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=hp.3...1844.5250.0.5453.20.11.0.0.0.0.1047.3203.3-1j6-2j1.4.0.3BtFXlBiR00&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ccf7218a2aefdb07

You obviously have nothing to contribute other than the whole head-in-the-sand/repeat-something-without-offering-anything-to-back-it-up/ignore-facts type input youve offered so far, so I think I'll go back to responding to anything you write with nonsensical gibberish.

[AmiDude]

fishy_fiz wrote:

Cant say Im surprised to see you responding this way though. When a person cant prove themselves, or if theyve been disproved and dont want to admit it they tend to behave this way. I tried my hand at diplomacy and extended an olive branch a few times, you showed everyone that youre not simply *acting* like a pork chop.

People who can't prove themselves also trie to "prove" they're right by reacting just like you do; A lot of empty words.

Your link proves nothing. They're all impressions from individuals. I want you to show me hard evidence. C'mon, do your homework better next time.

[AmiDude]

Well, heck's whistles. What am I going to read for entertainment, then?

Tone007 is right. We have to continue this argument for entertainment sake. :biglaugh:

[fishy_fiz]

Yes, hundreds of links from hundreds of individuals. Not one of them supporting your claims and all supporting mine. Versus your offering *nothing* at all but words. Doesnt take a rocket scientist to see who's claims are emptier.

Flash RAM has next to zero seek time, its pretty common knowledge.

If/when you have something of any substance at all to offer I'll respond, but until then you'll have to resort to arguing with yourself. There's absolutely no point in continuing this arguement as things stand.

[AmiDude]

Yes, hundreds of links from hundreds of individuals. Not one of them supporting your claims and all supporting mine.

That's because you're looking in the wrong places.

Flash RAM has next to zero seek time, its pretty common knowledge.

That's fine for the Flash-RAM. But overall speed of the 2.5" HD is faster. That's a wel known fact.

[AmiDude]

OK, read this link (there's more to come):
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/29795-20-hard-drive-compact-flash

This is about experiences from individual users.

[fishy_fiz]

Seven year old link. Irrelevant. CF cards are orders of magnitudes times faster today.

[magnetic]

Why dont you two provide REAL WORLD TESTS WITH YOUR REAL WORLD AMIGAS AND DRIVES. instead of blowing hot air around and insulting each other?

[spirantho]

I'm at risk of being on-topic here, but....

When an a600 doesn't start up for an unusually long time (more than a minute or so, maybe more than an hour), it's time to change your capacitors: that's the usual cause.

If anyone wants me to do this, by the way, PM me. I'm thinking of adding this to my shop's services.

[AmiDude]

Why dont you two provide REAL WORLD TESTS WITH YOUR REAL WORLD AMIGAS AND DRIVES. instead of blowing hot air around and insulting each other?

If you had read the whole thread, you could see that I allready provided information
about my 2.5" HD vs CF card tests:

Amidude wrote:

And Sandisk Ultra does NOT rule. I've got a genuine 4GB Sandisk Ultra CF which reaches a speed of 4.1MB p/s on my 1260 system. The Toshiba 40GB 2.5" HD reaches 5.2MB p/s!!!
(I also tested various other CF's and HD's, and the result was always in favour of the 2.5" HD's.)

Keep in mind that these high results were reached with an IdeFix-adapter and a 80Mhz 060 CPU. I alse tested CF's and HD's with my A600/030/42Mhz. Never were the CF's faster than the HD's. And I'm talking about 2GB+ drives.
It can well be that in modern PC's CF's are faster, but certainly not in the Amiga world.
I'm not buying that.
I've experience with both CF and HD's for many years. It's fishy_fiz that didn't do proper testing. He bought a CF card just one month ago...

[AmiDude]

I'm at risk of being on-topic here, but....

You're right, whe're way off-topic. We should open a different thread about this.

[psxphill]

Perhaps I was a bit vague. From all my experiences, and Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives.

Your choice of the words butcher and hijack are the problem. For a 3.5" drive you need to get power from the floppy connector, however you can get a splitter cable that just plugs in to the motherboard, floppy drive and hard drive. No butchery to the motherboard is required.
 
You also need to get a 44->40 pin adapter, or use a idefix adapter which usually has a 44 pin socket on.
 
Compact flash doesn't need to spin up, so is available quicker and doesn't make any noise. It also seeks faster. The transfer rate on hard drives is higher. On a 68000 based Amiga using PIO, it's unlikely to make any difference at all.

[AmiDude]

Compact flash doesn't need to spin up, so is available quicker and doesn't make any noise. It also seeks faster. The transfer rate on hard drives is higher. On a 68000 based Amiga using PIO, it's unlikely to make any difference at all.

That's what I'm talking about. It's the Read/Write speeds that makes the overall usage of HD's faster. It's also confirmed by different benchmark programs. The "noise" of an 2.5" HD is hardly noticeable.

[gertsy]

That's what I'm talking about. It's the Read/Write speeds that makes the overall usage of HD's faster. It's also confirmed by different benchmark programs. The "noise" of an 2.5" HD is hardly noticeable.

You're using IDEFIX!
2.1MB / Sec is about the max you'll get out of the standard A1200 IDE.  And yes IMO "all round" CF Cards rool.  

If you're still around WalterG74 and havent been scared off, a vanilla A600 is probably gonna be less than half the IDE speed of an A1200 probably around 700-800KB / Sec I guess..

[paul1981]

That's what I'm talking about. It's the Read/Write speeds that makes the overall usage of HD's faster. It's also confirmed by different benchmark programs. The "noise" of an 2.5" HD is hardly noticeable.

I don't want to get involved in any arguments, but I suspect that due to faster seek times on CF drives then they would be faster when used on a heavily fragmented partition, whereas a hard drive would suffer more in this situation due to lower seek times. Of course, large hard disks or ones that have been defragged and optimised will perform just fine.
Amiga's don't really have problems with fragmentation, at least not on the grand scale as Windows does (just speaking from my own experience here).