Weird issue with Amiga 600

[fishy_fiz]

Perhaps I was a bit vague. From all my experiences, and Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives. Id be surprised to hear that youre not doing that. There's even an article in amiga shopper about it.
Your speed for "normal" 2.5 inch ide vs cf card speeds are contradictory to most other peoples as well, especially concerning seek times.
This isnt to say youre spinning porkies, just that its not really a black/white thing.

[AmiDude]

Perhaps I was a bit vague. From all my experiences, and Ive seen others mention it too you need to hijack some power from the floppy power connector to power larger drives. Id be surprised to hear that youre not doing that.

?! Never heard of that. Which others? Can you provide a link? I've got several A600/A1200's, and some of them have CF cards and others have 2.5" HD's. Now, I use 2.5" HD's from 2GB to 40GB and never had to "hijack" power from the floppy connector. The HD gets it from the 44-pins IDE interface. And I always use a A500 4.5A power-supply. No hacking/butchering is needed.

[AmiDude]

Your speed for "normal" 2.5 inch ide vs cf card speeds are contradictory to most other peoples as well, especially concerning seek times.
This isnt to say youre spinning porkies, just that its not really a black/white thing.

There's nothing contradictory about it. I've tested everything the right way, and it's a
well known fact that 2.5" HD's are faster then CF cards. There're a lot of articles about it over the internet, just google it.
Just keep sticking to your cf-card. I know better... :rtfm:

[fishy_fiz]

Older, smaller ide drives are somewhat slower than new CF cards. And what makes you think that Ive not also tested this stuff as well? In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200.
Another thing to consider is that an a1200 isnt going to get full speed anyway, so seek times become important.

[AmiDude]

Older, smaller ide drives are somewhat slower than new CF cards. And what makes you think that Ive not also tested this stuff as well? In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200.
Another thing to consider is that an a1200 isnt going to get full speed anyway, so seek times become important.

Who's talking about "old" ide drives? I never mentioned that. OK, If you use an old 30mb Conner HD from 20 years ago... yeah that'll slow things down a lot.  
I'm talking about modern 2.5" 2GB> HD drives. I tested a large number of CF cards and never found one that's faster then a modern 2GB+ HD. Especially the 20GB+ drives are real fast like I stated before.

[walterg74]

I know, but someone stated that CF rules... Guess not! :p

Again, it depends on your needs... I get ALL the games I want, for ~40, no need to hunt down hdds, or worry about anything else, silent, etc. For me it TOTALLY rules...  :uzi:

[AmiDude]

Again, it depends on your needs... I get ALL the games I want, for ~40, no need to hunt down hdds, or worry about anything else, silent, etc. For me it TOTALLY rules...  :uzi:

Great! Have fun!

[fishy_fiz]

@Amidude

Who's talking about older drives you ask? Well you clearly are while talking about 20 and 40gig drives.
Huff and puff and claim to know whatever you like, the simple fact is its not as black and white is youre trying to claim.

[AmiDude]

@Amidude

Who's talking about older drives you ask? Well you clearly are while talking about 20 and 40gig drives.

Duh... Compared to the 30MB->500MB HD's from the early 90's, the 40GB drives are "newer" and of course also a lot faster.

Huff and puff and claim to know whatever you like, the simple fact is its not as black and white is youre trying to claim.

I can indeed claim things about CF's and 2.5" HD's because I'm into it for many years now.
And it's not black & white. It's a fact. You're clearly not an expert on the subject as you stated earlier in this thread;  

"In fact Id never used a cf cards until about a month ago so Im pretty well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives in an a1200."

 
:roflmao: :hammer: :laughing:

[fishy_fiz]

Um, care to point out where I claimed to be an expert? What I said is Im well versed in using 2.5 inch ide drives seeing as Id not until recently used anything but 2.5 inch ide drives. My 32gig CF card is significantly faster than the 120gig ide drive I used some time back. Until recently I'd not experienced anything but ide drives on an amiga, which makes the difference stand out. Simple fact of the matter is that a newer, decent CF card will be faster on an amiga. If youve not seen that for yourself then I can only imagine youve tried crappy CF vs decent ide cards/drives.
You also keep avoiding the fact that an amiga isnt going to to get anything near the potential of either, and given the CF's significantly faster seek times this makes quite a difference.
You also dont seem to understand the definition of "black and white".
As I said though, keep huffing and puffing, it's no skin off my nose. Your know-it-all attitude just further embarasses you to anyone but yourself it seems. If youre happy about that then I wish you well.

Also, care to point out where I said a 20/40-ish gig drive isnt newer than an old 500-ish meg (or whatever) drive? I said nothing of the sort, you just added that in yourself, and then said "duh" about it. You do realise its not quite normal to say "duh" about something youre the only one talking about arent you? The sorts of drives you speak about are old, theyve not been made for years. Is that difficult to understand without twisting and contorting words to fit your arguement?

[AmiDude]

fishy_fiz wrote:

Um, care to point out where I claimed to be an expert?

It was sarcasm. You're obviously not an expert.

My 32gig CF card is significantly faster than the 120gig ide drive I used some time back.... Simple fact of the matter is that a newer, decent CF card will be faster on an amiga. If youve not seen that for yourself then I can only imagine youve tried crappy CF vs decent ide cards/drives.

I can't hardly believe that. You're just talking b*sh*t. Have you proof of that?
Besides that, I've tested descent original CF's like Transcend en Sandisk, and they
all where slower then the 2.5' HD's.

Also, care to point out where I said a 20/40-ish gig drive isnt newer than an old 500-ish meg (or whatever) drive? I said nothing of the sort, you just added that in yourself, and then said "duh" about it. You do realise its not quite normal to say "duh" about something youre the only one talking about arent you? The sorts of drives you speak about are old, theyve not been made for years. Is that difficult to understand without twisting and contorting words to fit your arguement?

You're the one that was talking about "older" drives earlier in this thread. I was just explaining that there is a difference in the old 30mb> 500mb HD's, and the newer 20GB+ drives, because you talked about "older" drives, remember?! Duh!
Don't turn things around in your favor!

As I said though, keep huffing and puffing, it's no skin off my nose. Your know-it-all attitude just further embarasses you to anyone but yourself it seems.

Look whos talking! You're the one that started this "I know best" attitude.
So, stop whining about it, and get a grip on yourself!

[fishy_fiz]

Youre not the brightest spark are you?
I spoke about older drives, yes. Older 20-40gig drives. Anyone with an iota of intellect can see that clear as day. I never for a second mentioned speed of drives that are even older again than the old 20-40gig drives. You did that, and then said "duh" to it. Lol, and then you did it again after admitting you'd bought the older drives into it.
Who's whining? Im simply disagreeing, much as you are.
You started this nonsense, its all here for anyone to see. Me and Gert offered valid opinions, you came in and started acting all high and mighty. Try to twist and contort all you like, the thread content doesnt change because of it.

Anyway, Ive said my part, there's no point repeating things. I have no interest in arguing with some random yahoo who's so adamant about things that contain lots of shades of grey.

[AmiDude]

Listen dude... I'm not take you serious anymore. Anyone can see that you're
full of b*llsh*t! You're making a complete a*s out of yourself. Speaking about  
"not the brightest spark", you meant yourself, right? Don't make me laugh!  
So, fishy_fiz, I suggest to move on. It's starting to smell a little fishy
around here...

[fishy_fiz]

Little bit defensive there huh?
Yeah, tends to happen when people back themselves into a corner.

Let it go bloke, I have no more interest in arguing with you than I would any other intellectually challenged person.
Little bit baffling though that youre able to grasp the concept of more recent ide drives usually= faster, but unable to grasp the same concept of other mediums. Quoting brand names is far from the be all/end all in regards to quality/speed of a storage medium. Larger, more recent CF cards are much faster than older smaller cards.

[AmiDude]

Are you still whining about it? So, you bought a CF card and you're so happy about it that you defend it at al costs, without any proof that it's actual faster than an 2.5" HD. Childish person, get over it and go on with your pathetic life!

[tone007]