MorphOS ahead of AROS?

[Iggy]

Hi,

@Iggy,

Thats not what I meant, and you know it.

You have a nice system there, but need to upgrade that video card. I am using a 5770 MSI radeon card in my 6 core AMD machine. They are inexpensive and run real well, I also have a 5750 in my quad core Intel Q6600 (old silicon) computer.

Probably will upgrade next year, if AMD brings out something better. Don't like buying Intel products (hate them just a little bit less than Macs).

On a high note though, I am interested though in a G5 Mac, 2.7 ghz. You know if MorphOS will run on it?

OK, curiosity caught the old dog, I may suffer through touching a Mac just to see if there is any progress made since I last threw up.

smerf

I only have an old 4870 in my X86 box..:confused:

And we're only looking at R400s in the G5.

Although...The PCIe G5's could support better cards (especially if we found a way around the firmware limitations).

BTW Smerf, I already have a line on a dual 2.5 GHz G5.

[Terminills]

When it comes to video players, equal support of codecs does mean an equal product, by and large. All the rest is just bells and whistles on top of this core functionality. Think about how you use a video player.

1. Open video file.
2. Press play.

That's it. As long as the video player plays the file without incident, you don't really interact with it much. This is different from, let's say, spreadsheet software, where you're frequently interacting with the UI.



Most people use VLC as standalone video player.

the bells and whistles as you put it are part of the product.  so <> features = <> product.

ooo care to point out  where you got idea most people use vlc as a stand alone player?  Because it certainly wasn't from vlc's site or forums.

[HenryCase]

the bells and whistles as you put it are part of the product.  so <> features = <> product.

Okay, apart from the networking features that are clearly important to you, what features (that you care about) does VLC have that MPlayer does not?

ooo care to point out  where you got idea most people use vlc as a stand alone player?  Because it certainly wasn't from vlc's site or forums.

You might have heard of these things called torrents. They're kinda popular for getting videos. Are you suggesting more people stream videos rather than download them (aside from flash-based sites like YouTube and premium services like Netflix?)?

[Terminills]

Okay, apart from the networking features that are clearly important to you, what features (that you care about) does VLC have that MPlayer does not?



You might have heard of these things called torrents. They're kinda popular for getting videos. Are you suggesting more people stream videos rather than download them (aside from flash-based sites like YouTube and premium services like Netflix?)?

even for torrents many ps3 users use vlc to transcode the video and stream it to thier ps3's instead of filling up the hard drive.   You know the ps3 you might have heard of it?   there's 1 or 2 people who own one.  Just because you are to simple to do it doesn't mean it's not a popular feature.

[HenryCase]

even for torrents many ps3 users use vlc to transcode the video and stream it to thier ps3's instead of filling up the hard drive.   You know the ps3 you might have heard of it?   there's 1 or 2 people who own one.  Just because you are to simple to do it doesn't mean it's not a popular feature.

Seeing as many people have laptops with HDMI ports built in, you're right, I don't see the point.

[Terminills]

Seeing as many people have laptops with HDMI ports built in, you're right, I don't see the point.

you don't have to see the point.   However millions of people do see the point.   I have a latop with hdmi out.  However I don't see the point of pulling it out to hook up to my projector when I can simply stream the video to my already hooked up ps3.  On top of that I can stream to multiple machices at once.

[HenryCase]

you don't have to see the point.   However millions of people do see the point.   I have a latop with hdmi out.  However I don't see the point of pulling it out to hook up to my projector when I can simply stream the video to my already hooked up ps3.  On top of that I can stream to multiple machices at once.

I get it for the geek factor, but apart from that, I don't see why anyone would bother. Let's look at the two solutions:

1. If in worst case scenario you don't have any free HDMI ports in TV/projector, pull cable out and plug in laptop (if do have spare port, then can just keep spare cable around for this).
2. Set up network video stream on laptop/PC, find stream on PS3.

Scenario 1 means no transcoding necessary, no network bandwidth is used up. Scenario 2 requires use of two machines, and if you want to broadcast at a decent level of quality is going to tie up a decent sized chunk of your home network bandwidth. Setup time with both scenarios is roughly equal. You mention streaming to multiple machines at once, just how many PS3s do you own!

Plus, if it's something you do frequently, you'd be far better off with investing in a proper HTPC (running XBMC or similar) and cutting out all this faffing about.

[Terminills]

I get it for the geek factor, but apart from that, I don't see why anyone would bother. Let's look at the two solutions:

1. If in worst case scenario you don't have any free HDMI ports in TV/projector, pull cable out and plug in laptop (if do have spare port, then can just keep spare cable around for this).
2. Set up network video stream on laptop/PC, find stream on PS3.

Scenario 1 means no transcoding necessary, no network bandwidth is used up. Scenario 2 requires use of two machines, and if you want to broadcast at a decent level of quality is going to tie up a decent sized chunk of your home network bandwidth. Setup time with both scenarios is roughly equal. You mention streaming to multiple machines at once, just how many PS3s do you own!

Plus, if it's something you do frequently, you'd be far better off with investing in a proper HTPC (running XBMC or similar) and cutting out all this faffing about.

2 ps3's 1 htpc, 2 hdhomerun boxes, 3 xbox360's.  1 Media server


It's not about hooking up a hdmi cable.   It's the fact that I only setup my home theater once period.   I don't have to touch it again.   so by your own logic hooking up a laptop is more work.

[HenryCase]

2 ps3's 1 htpc, 2 hdhomerun boxes, 3 xbox360's.  1 Media server

Nice.

It's not about hooking up a hdmi cable.   It's the fact that I only setup my home theater once period.   I don't have to touch it again.   so by your own logic hooking up a laptop is more work.

You don't have to touch the cables, but you do have to setup the video stream each time. As I said before, probably looking at similar setup time (about 30 seconds I reckon).

Anyway, horses for courses and all that jazz, do whatever works for you. Sounds like you've got a nice home media setup, what software does the HTPC run? Also, what's the media server? I've been putting together plans for some HTPC goodness, so it'd be good to share notes.

EDIT: Just to say, my current plans are along the lines of Intel ION-based PC running the Ion build of OpenElec http://openelec.tv/ , once they've made their XBMC Eden-based release. I've also been thinking about how I can use some Raspberry Pi as media centre devices, giving them away as presents to friends. Possibly using them as network-connected radio/music streamers.

[Terminills]

Nice.



You don't have to touch the cables, but you do have to setup the video stream each time. As I said before, probably looking at similar setup time (about 30 seconds I reckon).

Anyway, horses for courses and all that jazz, do whatever works for you. Sounds like you've got a nice home media setup, what software does the HTPC run? Also, what's the media server? I've been putting together plans for some HTPC goodness, so it'd be good to share notes.

The htpc is simply a XBMC box in my living room.   As for my media server it's a headless ubuntu box sitting in a closet that I store my ripped blurays on.   each hdhomerun has 2 tvtuners this gives me 4 tuners I can watch pause play with. I do it this way so I don't have to lug anything from room to room.   If you want more details pm me and we can discuss further.

[HenryCase]

The htpc is simply a XBMC box in my living room.   As for my media server it's a headless ubuntu box sitting in a closet that I store my ripped blurays on.   each hdhomerun has 2 tvtuners this gives me 4 tuners I can watch pause play with. I do it this way so I don't have to lug anything from room to room.   If you want more details pm me and we can discuss further.

Ah, I see, cool. With regards to your media server running Ubuntu, just in case you didn't know Plex Media Server (which can run on Ubuntu) now supports DLNA, so you can stream direct to any modern TV in your house (if you have a network connection to them of course):
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/30/plex-media-server-beta-dlna-wp7/
http://www.plexapp.com/getplex/

News only came out about a week ago, thought it was worth sharing.

EDIT: Serviio is another option for this:
http://www.serviio.org/

[Iggy]

I can not believe you guys are still going on about this!

[Terminills]

I can not believe you guys are still going on about this!

Not sure what you are talking about this thread has made it's way through 4 topics >.<

[Tripitaka]

When it comes to video players, equal support of codecs does mean an equal product, by and large. All the rest is just bells and whistles on top of this core functionality. Think about how you use a video player.

1. Open video file.
2. Press play.

That's it. As long as the video player plays the file without incident, you don't really interact with it much. This is different from, let's say, spreadsheet software, where you're frequently interacting with the UI.



Most people use VLC as standalone video player.

@Terminills: I hate to say this but HenryCase has a good point, most people do use VLC as a standalone player. I know loads of people who use VLC daily (or close to daily). They use it because it plays damn near every bit of video thrown at it and the only button that matters is the play button. They also don't post on VLC forums and only visited the website once. That was when they downloaded VLC in the first place. These people are typical users, not people like you, HenryCase, or most other users of this forum. They are the same people who keep asking you to fix their damn PC when it goes wrong.

As for media players, I find my original XBox with XBMC far more reliable for streaming than the PS3 and for the price you can get them for (£10 on ebay.co.uk being commonplace) you might as well stick one in every damn room. Add some NAS solution for storage of those ripped BD's and it's job done without your PC wasting electricity.

[Iggy]

Not sure what you are talking about this thread has made it's way through 4 topics >.<

You have been talking about VLC since early this morning, T!
Its late in the afternoon (here) and I'm going out to get some dinner.
Don't you guys eat?

[Crumb]

@Mazze

Transparent m68k emulation: I can copy any old amiga filesystem to L: and use directly partitions in that format, e.g. PFS3. I can copy any datatype and all my native apps will use them. It really feels integrated, not like running in a separate box (I prefer that). For old m68k games I double click them and the ADF is launched if EUAE is installed. For launching m68k apps Fab included another config (haven't used it as most serious apps run directly)
Wide variety of available filesystems: fat, NTFS, ext2, 3G, all m68k ones...
Great desktop: Ambient, miles ahead from Wanderer or WB.
MUI4: IMHO the best Amiga toolkit
CGX: ahead from P96. Does AROS still lack overlay?.
Console: MUICON is simply great. AROS console is pretty basic
HD Tools: Partition tools, recovery tools, mounting tools are great. Is there any AROS file recovery tool? (just curious, I don't know)
OS4/WOS/PUP compatibility: AROS doesn't have that.
Latest OWB&MPlayer: Fab rules. MorphOS versions are the most complete and stable ones.
Nice SDK: I prefer MorphOS SDK editors
Good translations (spanish one is on sync with other languages) ;-)