MorphOS ahead of AROS?

[Fab]

VLC does support an idiotic number of codecs (though I will admit that Mplayer is easier to use).

Well, so does MPlayer. Both VLC and MPlayer rely mainly on ffmpeg for video/audio decoding plus a couple other libraries. Both can also make use of libbluray for instance, though it's still not mature enough.

The latest MPlayer version I compiled supports 175 audio codecs and 376 video codecs. Show me something MPlayer can't play, actually.

Anyway, I don't like VLC too much, the only advantage i see with it is its streaming server abilities. VLC was also ported to MorphOS a couple years ago, btw. It didn't bring anything compared to MPlayer, though.

[_ThEcRoW]

Is really os4 running on g5's?. Note that the pasemi is not a g5.

[Terminills]

OMG! That's fantastic!
Well, that product just keeps getting better.
No wonder I haven't needed Media Player under Windows for the last several years.

I was to lazy to post a link to the tutorial on how to do it.  That plus I didn't want to get yelled at over the whole it could be used for piracy issue.

[HenryCase]

Is really os4 running on g5's?. Note that the pasemi is not a g5.

You're right, it's not a G5, the X1000 was designed by the Far East Movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY

VLC is much more advanced than mplayer.  If you have any doubts just look up people trying to use a hdhomerun with mplayer vs vlc.   I personally would love to have the latest version on AROS with libbluray support.

As I said before, practically the same, not exactly the same. As Fab pointed out, both MPlayer and VLC rely heavily on FFMPEG. Other than the BluRay support you pointed out, I can't think of much that MPlayer can't play. In fact, it looks like MPlayer does support encrypted BluRays with a workaround:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html

MPlayer does support encrypted BluRay playback, though not all steps are handled by MPlayer itself. The two alternative methods use the URL schemes bd:// (always supports decryption, but you need the key for each and every disk in ~/.dvdcss/KEYDB.cfg and only works well with very simple BluRays, similar to dvd:// vs. dvdnav://) and br:// (uses libbluray and should support the same as VideoLAN in the link below but that is untested).

End correction

 MPlayer needs some documentation on how to play encrypted discs. Patches are welcome. VideoLAN users can follow the instructions here | Mirror

 I have not tested, but it looks like it works on Mac OS X, Linux and Windows. Thanks to whoever created this and hopefully no one will have to rip the discs to a hard drive before playing now.

[Terminills]

You're right, it's not a G5, the X1000 was designed by the Far East Movement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4s6H4ku6ZY




As I said before, practically the same, not exactly the same. As Fab pointed out, both MPlayer and VLC rely heavily on FFMPEG. Other than the BluRay support you pointed out, I can't think of much that MPlayer can't play. In fact, it looks like MPlayer does support encrypted BluRays with a workaround:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/news.html

Multicast video streaming also comes to mind.   I can't watch my network tv tuner with Mplayer but I can with VLC.

[HenryCase]

Multicast video streaming also comes to mind.   I can't watch my network tv tuner with Mplayer but I can with VLC.

Look, I use VLC, I know it's good, but can't you see that MPlayer is very similar in functionality?

[Iggy]

Look, I use VLC, I know it's good, but can't you see that MPlayer is very similar in functionality?

Pretty much. And since I don't stream content over my home network the difference is negligible.

[smerf]

Hi,

Just got done checking on the G5 Macs, didn't know that they go up to 2.7 ghz on a ppc chip. Also noted that they have dual core, and quad core PPC chips. OK so the MorphOS team is trying to duplicate what WinUAE had done years ago. Make a good emulator for a Mac machine. I am for that. It is about time someone has tried to improve old Mac hardware.

My question is will they try to do the newer Intel run apple products?

I mean if apple abandoned the PPC chips years ago will the MorphOS team do the same in the future?

I mean the newer Intel machines need improvement to. Don't you think so?

Just loaded up AROS on my old Toshiba laptop. Doesn't see the USB wifi thumb drive that I am using. Didn't really expect it to, since they are also about 10 years behind on modern day computers, but for what they have it runs pretty good. I mean I watched the lines demo running in 4 seperate windows, but this was as far as it went because it was pretty late last night, didn't see anything usable as of yet.

The thing I like though is that it does run on PC gear, and there is lots and lots and lots of that old stuff laying around and most of it you can get for free if you find someone throwing the old junk out.

Now a sad note
Our town had a turn in old electronics day last week, I say plenty of g4 and g5 mac's being thrown in the piles (smile) but there in one pile I saw a couple of Amiga's, C64's, commodore monitors etc. Tried to talk to a person about buying that pile, but he said he couldn't sell, the people turned this stuff over to the city for destruction and by the law the city had to destroy them. So these products are going to Pittsburgh were their usable materials will be recycled and reused in newer junk. They took over 30 truck loads of old electronic equipment there. I wonder how many Amiga's where on those trucks.

smerf

[smerf]

Hi,

"Pretty much. And since I don't stream content over my home network the difference is negligible. "

Probably because that old G4 can't handle steaming, you need a fast processor that runs over 1.6 ghz to get proper streaming done right (at least in the PC world).

OK I stirred to poop really good on this one, gotta run

smerf

[Fab]

Multicast video streaming also comes to mind.   I can't watch my network tv tuner with Mplayer but I can with VLC.

MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require live555 library to work with some streams). But you might have a built where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though.

As for TV tuners, that's quite a mess, but it mostly depends on v4l on Linux, anyway, so it should work, in theory (might need esotheric options, though).

[Terminills]

Look, I use VLC, I know it's good, but can't you see that MPlayer is very similar in functionality?

playing the same codecs does not equal being an equal product.   I never said mplayer wasn't good but I did however point out ways it was behind vlc.  If you would like I could add some more.

VLC has transcoding built in Mplayer doesn't.    Mplayer is a good player.   VLC is more than a player.   It's more geared towards being a network video tool.

[Terminills]

MPlayer supports multicast streaming, and rtp/rtsp protocols (it might require live555 library to work with some streams). But you might have a built where it's disabled. Also, multicast won't work with AmiTCP-likes. MIAMI supported it, though.

As for TV tuners, that's quite a mess, but it mostly depends on v4l on Linux, anyway, so it should work, in theory (might need esotheric options, though).

Nah hdhomerun doesn't use v4l on linux.   It streams the video via a built in server in the box and the stream is picked up via vlc or mplayer.   However most people give up on mplayer because it seems to have issues with it.

[Iggy]

Hi,

"Pretty much. And since I don't stream content over my home network the difference is negligible. "

Probably because that old G4 can't handle steaming, you need a fast processor that runs over 1.6 ghz to get proper streaming done right (at least in the PC world).

OK I stirred to poop really good on this one, gotta run

smerf

Not a problem with my Phenom based X86 system. I just never got around to putting a PC near my living room entertainment center.

[smerf]

Hi,

@Iggy,

Thats not what I meant, and you know it.

You have a nice system there, but need to upgrade that video card. I am using a 5770 MSI radeon card in my 6 core AMD machine. They are inexpensive and run real well, I also have a 5750 in my quad core Intel Q6600 (old silicon) computer.

Probably will upgrade next year, if AMD brings out something better. Don't like buying Intel products (hate them just a little bit less than Macs).

On a high note though, I am interested though in a G5 Mac, 2.7 ghz. You know if MorphOS will run on it?

OK, curiosity caught the old dog, I may suffer through touching a Mac just to see if there is any progress made since I last threw up.

smerf

[HenryCase]

playing the same codecs does not equal being an equal product.

When it comes to video players, equal support of codecs does mean an equal product, by and large. All the rest is just bells and whistles on top of this core functionality. Think about how you use a video player.

1. Open video file.
2. Press play.

That's it. As long as the video player plays the file without incident, you don't really interact with it much. This is different from, let's say, spreadsheet software, where you're frequently interacting with the UI.

It's more geared towards being a network video tool.

Most people use VLC as standalone video player.

[Iggy]

Hi,

@Iggy,

Thats not what I meant, and you know it.

You have a nice system there, but need to upgrade that video card. I am using a 5770 MSI radeon card in my 6 core AMD machine. They are inexpensive and run real well, I also have a 5750 in my quad core Intel Q6600 (old silicon) computer.

Probably will upgrade next year, if AMD brings out something better. Don't like buying Intel products (hate them just a little bit less than Macs).

On a high note though, I am interested though in a G5 Mac, 2.7 ghz. You know if MorphOS will run on it?

OK, curiosity caught the old dog, I may suffer through touching a Mac just to see if there is any progress made since I last threw up.

smerf

I only have an old 4870 in my X86 box..:confused:

And we're only looking at R400s in the G5.

Although...The PCIe G5's could support better cards (especially if we found a way around the firmware limitations).

BTW Smerf, I already have a line on a dual 2.5 GHz G5.