MorphOS ahead of AROS?

[Iggy]

Personally, I don't see what the obsession with single button Mac mice is about.
I have a two button PC mouse on My computer.
And, as I've mentioned before, most of my hardware didn't come from Apple (my keyboard, mouse, memory, CPU, hard drive, DVD drive, video card, sound card, & USB card all not Apple parts).
And the computer itself was bought as non-functioning surplus on Ebay for $17 plus shipping.
If I had to buy from Apple (at their outrageous prices) it wouldn't have been a consideration.
And btw, regardless of your prejudices, its well made hardware.

I've never liked Steve Jobs or Apple, but I REALLY like MorphOS on a PPC Mac and I'm not apologizing for that AND I don't want to move to X86 any time soon.

[Iggy]

Well, I'm not allowed to tell you details, but 3.0 can detect multitouch and utilizes them similar to MacOS10.5.

Whoa! Too cool!

[HenryCase]

or something like VLC?

All three NG Amiga platforms already have ports of MPlayer, which offers practically the same video support as VLC.

[Iggy]

AROS doesn't need Linux, that's a user choice.

I question the sanity of a company that STILL has no G5 version of MOS. The last hope for MOS is to get G5 distro delivered ASAP and stop messing about with limp Mac Minis.

OS4 + X1000 was their only competition, and G5 Mac the only uncompromised PPC OSX machine (so you don't waste money and can still use the G5 Mac you bought even if you hated MOS). Clearly they have a technical barrier because only crazy people would miss such a business opportunity!

With no G5 version and no x86 migration plan MOS is third in the group IMO, at least OS4 for G5 exists and Aros has plentiful x86 hardware new and used available FOREVER.

I agreed with you up to that point I've highlighted.
"OS4 for G5 exists", Huh?

But you're right MorphOS for the G5 is a natural progression.
I've made plans to get one even if its never announced.

[Iggy]

All three NG Amiga platforms already have ports of MPlayer, which offers practically the same video support as VLC.

Mplayer is cool, but its not VLC.
Still, it will do.

[Digiman]

@Digiman

Have you actually ever used a MacBook ??

You know that those trackpads are multitouch and OSX regognises "gestures" ?

Sure it's not the same as a trackpad with 3 buttons + dedicated scrolling area, no it's much better !

Heck I find the relative primitive 2 touch touchpad of my PBs much more intuive/useable than any touchpad I've come across on Wintel-laptops.

Example of daily use:Right click.....extract all. 1 second operation.  Multitouch on screen for tablets OK but on a little trackpad for Powerbook/Macbook with 1 kindrgarden size single button? no thanks. A good OS design uses 2 mouse buttons, not 1 not 3...just 2. Mouse buttons do not need to be 2 inches wide on a notebook unless a baby or the worlds fatest man is using it surely

And try using those"gestures" on the train in rush hour.

The myth that Apple always make the "best" laptops is wrong. I have sold 1000s of laptops since 2001, I know what the best were/are even removing the OSX vs Windows OS argument because I used them all. Their desktop machines are just ornaments/pieces of aesthetic design, not very cost effective and no more pleasurable in use than a quality built branded Wintel.

There has only been one laptop model that was clearly superior to others by Wintel groups, not great covering 2 decades.

(Windows isn't great before you wonder, just overall OSX is no better, just different IMO)

[Digiman]

I agreed with you up to that point I've highlighted.
"OS4 for G5 exists", Huh?

But you're right MorphOS for the G5 is a natural progression.
I've made plans to get one even if its never announced.

The ridiculously expensive AmigaOne X1000, with G5 class CPU and being sold with OS4.

[Fab]

And 1080p MKV or HD Flash/Youtube or Blu-Ray playback? 1 core of a 2.8ghz  i7 can do this but G4 can not for sure. Like I said PPC iMO is 90s CPU design so OS4/MOS are stuck unless an IBM Xenon PPC motherboard and AOS/MOS version comes out. Aros only needs a VLC software port, the hardware is there, massive difference.

MorphOS was experimented on a G5 a couple months (years?) ago, and playing 1080p H.264 was definitely no trouble, even on a single core of the dual/quad 2.7GHz G5.

And what's with VLC? MPlayer (which is available on MorphOS, AROS and OS4) is very capable in this regard (often more, actually), and more efficient than VLC...

Will we never have a need for more than G4 speeds? Unlikely. Will HD Youtube capable browser exist for Aros/MOS/OS4 or something like VLC? Eventually. Will things like 1080p video make an OS more appealing? Definitely. Can even G5 deliver this power? Unlikely.

Sure, more speed is wanted for this kind of things. Noone will deny that. Odyssey Web Browser for MorphOS can actually play HD Youtube itself (in overlay mode for best speed), for your information. 720p ones should be playable on some 1.5-2GHz G4 machines... And it's definitely no trouble to play them in MPlayer as well.

Here's a screenshot for you (try to do this on UAE :
http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owbshots/youtube.png

[Iggy]

(Windows isn't great before you wonder, just overall OSX is no better, just different IMO)

True, but again I don't use the pad on a laptop if I can avoid it.
I use a two button wireless mouse (in the old days I used to use a trackball that mounted on the edge of my keyboard, perfect for your right thumb).

So multi-touch is neat, but I'll still be using a PC mouse.

BTW - Why keep bringing up Windows and OSX?
We're not discussing those OS'.

[Iggy]

MorphOS was experimented on a G5 a couple months (years?) ago, and playing 1080p H.264 was definitely no trouble, even on a single core of the dual/quad 2.7GHz G5.

And what's with VLC? MPlayer (which is available on MorphOS, AROS and OS4) is very capable in this regard (often more, actually), and more efficient than VLC...



Sure, more speed is wanted for this kind of things. Noone will deny that. Odyssey Web Browser for MorphOS can actually play HD Youtube itself (in overlay mode for best speed), for your information. 720p ones should be playable on some 1.5-2GHz G4 machines... And it's definitely no trouble to play them in MPlayer as well.

Here's a screenshot for you (try to do this on UAE :
http://fabportnawak.free.fr/owbshots/youtube.png

Nice Fab, I'll admit.
And I've played 720p video on my machine.

VLC does support an idiotic number of codecs (though I will admit that Mplayer is easier to use).

"MorphOS was experimented on a G5 a couple months (years?) ago"
I got a laugh out of that till I looked up an old message from Pega-1 on that, it WAS a couple years ago.

[Terminills]

All three NG Amiga platforms already have ports of MPlayer, which offers practically the same video support as VLC.

VLC is much more advanced than mplayer.  If you have any doubts just look up people trying to use a hdhomerun with mplayer vs vlc.   I personally would love to have the latest version on AROS with libbluray support.

[Iggy]

The ridiculously expensive AmigaOne X1000, with G5 class CPU and being sold with OS4.

We all kind of figured that's what you meant.
Actually though, the PA6T performs closer to a G4 then a G5.
The X1000 has faster memory and better display cards, so it should perform well.
But if MorphOS is ever ported to a G5, that processor will mop the floor with the PASemi CPU (after all, the real use the PA6T was intended for was laptops).

[Iggy]

VLC is much more advanced than mplayer.  If you have any doubts just look up people trying to use a hdhomerun with mplayer vs vlc.   I personally would love to have the latest version on AROS with libbluray support.

Sorry for making so many responses, (to much caffeine).
VLC doesn't support encrypted blurays so its not too useful for playing that format.

[Terminills]

Sorry for making so many responses, (to much caffeine).
VLC doesn't support encrypted blurays so its not too useful for playing that format.

yes it does

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/22428/vlc_gets_encrypted_blu_ray_playback_capabilities_thanks_to_a_hack/index.html

[Iggy]

yes it does

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/22428/vlc_gets_encrypted_blu_ray_playback_capabilities_thanks_to_a_hack/index.html

OMG! That's fantastic!
Well, that product just keeps getting better.
No wonder I haven't needed Media Player under Windows for the last several years.

[Fab]

VLC does support an idiotic number of codecs (though I will admit that Mplayer is easier to use).

Well, so does MPlayer. Both VLC and MPlayer rely mainly on ffmpeg for video/audio decoding plus a couple other libraries. Both can also make use of libbluray for instance, though it's still not mature enough.

The latest MPlayer version I compiled supports 175 audio codecs and 376 video codecs. Show me something MPlayer can't play, actually.

Anyway, I don't like VLC too much, the only advantage i see with it is its streaming server abilities. VLC was also ported to MorphOS a couple years ago, btw. It didn't bring anything compared to MPlayer, though.