Second Beta Release of Timberwolf

[spirantho]

@Iggy

One of the major weaknesses in AmigaOS 4 is that we didn't have an HTML5 capable browser (Yes, we know MOS has one, but we didn't). While Fab's Odyssey is an excellent program, and much kudos to him for doing such a good job, he only works on MOS. The AmigaOS version has fallen too far behind and it doesn't seem to be being updated.

By porting TW, as has been mentioned earlier, the Friedens are able to fix a hole in the OS4 software library (an HTML5 browser) while also finding missing elements in the AOS API, which they can correct to make porting easier.

So I think they did a really good thing with TW - they're working on getting HTML5 to OS4, and it's building the OS4 API at the same time.

[Rogue]

I'll apologize ahead of time for quoting a private e-mail AmigaDave and I exchanged earlier without checking with him first.

"I am afraid that the Frieden's are spending too much time working on  
Timberwolf, instead of working on drivers for the SAM460ex, or X1000.  
I am sure that Timberwolf is important to them, as it might spur more  
hardware purchases, but many people are saying that Timberwolf is  
unusable on any SAM systems and it may never be usable on a SAM."

Now that's the opinion of an OS4 user and advocate who has spent a fair amount of money on an X1000.
Again, sorry David.
But honestly guys, don't the Frieden's have enough work to do without this project?
Where are all the drivers for the on board hardware included in those two systems David mentioned?

This is not a flame.
I've considered an OS4 hardware purchase recently, but the priorities of the developers of my current OS seem much more sensible.
You don't release it till its ready.

I don't know how anybody got this impression, but it is complete and utter bollocks. Actually, for the record, I haven't even touched Timberwolf in, I think, four months or so. All of the recent work was done by my brother.

I find it hilarious, to say the least, that someone claims to know how much time I spent on what project, when he is obviously quite clueless about it.

For the record, I don't even work on drivers. I don't have a SAM 460. I think my brother has one, but I don't. I have an X-1000, but I am currently working exclusively on next gen graphics, and I have been doing this for the last several months.

So, please, for ****** sake, stop spreading idiotic lies and bollocks like this. This so-called community continues to make me sick.

[Rogue]

thanks rogue, but I dont use OS4, if you were talking to me. If I hit the lottery anytime soon, then I'll buy an a1x1k, but until then, I'm with my current machines

No, it was just a general message, since I didn't know whether it was part of the announcement or not. The bug tracker helps us keep track of what is left to be done.

[Rogue]

Then I think you may have been greatly overestimating the accumulated sales of OS4, Gorky 17, Shogo, SiN, Quake2 etc during the last decade...

See, what the hell? Why do you think that you are in a position to say this? For the record, I *AM* being paid by Hyperion. I work for Hyperion full-time.

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you guys? Is your hatred and envy so far that you cannot skip even the slightest chance to slander your competition? What a sorry bunch you are.

[drHirudo]

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you guys? Is your hatred and envy so far that you cannot skip even the slightest chance to slander your competition? What a sorry bunch you are.

This is Amiga.org, i.e. the site where the MOS people are hanging to slam AmigaOS 4 in every possible way they can think of. Every time when AmigaOS 4 is mentioned for whatever reason, MOS will be brought even if it is totally off-topic. As see you wasn't been here for a long time, so you didn't notice the change.

[koaftder]

Looks like rouge needs another hobby. Anything less than praise sung from the roof tops will causes this man to blow his gasket.

[TheDaddy]

Wouldn't you when people talk out of their backsides?
I would. There is a limit to how much **** someone can take...

[dreamcast270mhz]

I think we're not listening to what rogue is saying. He is saying that he works with graphics, not drivers. How is his work affecting any of his colleagues who may or may not be working on drivers? Things take time to form, and the OS4 philosophy is more about get it out there and work it out on the go rather than keep it in development until its pristine and polished. It's a matter of choice,and I for one am not always a big fan of it, but it's no use voicing concerns to rogue when he does not even work on drivers. Every developer has his strengths, and rogues are graphics, I'm assuming from his post

[Piru]

Firefox *is bloated* ... and Sam is *very* weak HW, especially the 440 that even lacks a L2 cache...

I think you have a fair point here. I would be really surprised if TW ever gains the ability to play internet streams such as youtube on anything but X1000.

It appears there's some unrealistic expectations regarding how much any kind of "hw acceleration" will be able to improve the browser performance.

[takemehomegrandma]

Looks like rouge needs another hobby. Anything less than praise sung from the roof tops will causes this man to blow his gasket.

Yeah... :rolleyes:

[eliyahu]

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you guys? Is your hatred and envy so far that you cannot skip even the slightest chance to slander your competition? What a sorry bunch you are.

i've often wondered the same thing. there is an obsession about anything OS4-related among a few people around here. i honestly think they have mental issues. please don't confuse this sorry place filled with pathetic obsessives with the broader community of amigans.

i mean, this thread was about timberwolf, a piece of software which runs only on OS4. and it didn't take long before the usual suspects came in, with snarky comments, doing anything to justify their desperate belief in their own superiority. if they think this helps convince people to use the product they promote, they are sorely mistaken.

i would suggest continuing to drive the platform forward and ignoring these jack-asses entirely.

-- eliyahu

[itix]

i've often wondered the same thing. there is an obsession about anything OS4-related among a few people around here. i honestly think they have mental issues. please don't confuse this sorry place filled with pathetic obsessives with the broader community of amigans.

i mean, this thread was about timberwolf, a piece of software which runs only on OS4. and it didn't take long before the usual suspects came in, with snarky comments, doing anything to justify their desperate belief in their own superiority. if they think this helps convince people to use the product they promote, they are sorely mistaken.

i would suggest continuing to drive the platform forward and ignoring these jack-asses entirely.

Now that was not very nice of you.

[itix]

See, what the hell? Why do you think that you are in a position to say this? For the record, I *AM* being paid by Hyperion. I work for Hyperion full-time.

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you guys? Is your hatred and envy so far that you cannot skip even the slightest chance to slander your competition? What a sorry bunch you are.

I doubt tmhgm is in competition against you since he is not selling anything. And I dont see how it could be seen as slandering to say someone is working for free. Quite opposite I would say.

[Iggy]

I don't know how anybody got this impression, but it is complete and utter bollocks. Actually, for the record, I haven't even touched Timberwolf in, I think, four months or so. All of the recent work was done by my brother.

I find it hilarious, to say the least, that someone claims to know how much time I spent on what project, when he is obviously quite clueless about it.

For the record, I don't even work on drivers. I don't have a SAM 460. I think my brother has one, but I don't. I have an X-1000, but I am currently working exclusively on next gen graphics, and I have been doing this for the last several months.

So, please, for f*ck's sake, stop spreading idiotic lies and bollocks like this. This so-called community continues to make me sick.

Lovely sentiment.
Now I know I definitely do NOT want to purchase OS4 hardware.
You guys are depending on this egotistical a-hole to develop your OS?
Good luck with that.

"This so-called community continues to make me sick."

Wow!

[eliyahu]

Now I know I definitely do NOT want to purchase OS4 hardware.
You guys are depending on this egotistical a-hole to develop your OS?
Good luck with that.!

that's exactly how i feel about at least two of your OS developers. i really wish you guys could just stay out of OS4 threads here. even if you don't mean to -- and i think some of you do -- it just turns into a slap-fest.

-- eliyahu

[Iggy]

This is Amiga.org, i.e. the site where the MOS people are hanging to slam AmigaOS 4 in every possible way they can think of. Every time when AmigaOS 4 is mentioned for whatever reason, MOS will be brought even if it is totally off-topic. As see you wasn't been here for a long time, so you didn't notice the change.

That is completely unfair.
I'd love to see OS4 succeed.
As the former manager of a business that built 68K based systems in the mid '80s to early '90s (Delmar Co.) I know what a struggle it can be to market low volume computers systems and software.
But, so far, I'm not impressed with the team developing this software.

For comparison, when my former employer Ed Gressick wrote his first video driver he had a functional version created in one day.
Porting a GUI from Gespac? One week.

And I can assure you that no hot headed divisive comments about our customer base was made during that period.