Takers - One Woman's Opinion of the Amiga Mini

[weirdami]

It's a toss up between Asha Develder and Kiki Stockhammer.

[magnetic]

Never understand why you/others place so much significance on the Paula chip?

I can tell you never made music on the amiga. Especially now that 8bit sound is cool again, many people in electonic scene going for that phat old skool sound. The amiga has awesome low end bass for some reason and if you try to use emulation on pcs with uae using Amiga trackers it just doesnt sound as good.

[magnetic]

Why would this one person opinion be a news item? That is ABSURD

[number6]

It's a toss up between Asha Develder and Kiki Stockhammer.

Ahh if only...

Sadly we lost Asha DeVelder on Jan 3, 2009.

#6

[amiman99]

That's what they've said, yet they keep coming back to try to cozy up to the community when nobody in the real world wants their products...

After thinking about it, if CUSA was named Amigos Computers or any other name, they would be irrelevant, they'll be just another small time clone PC manufacturer.

Installing mini-itx PC MB in a classic system been done for ever.
Like this one was made in 2003 http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/c64/

[haywirepc]

Sometimes I think they do mean well but its hard to please people.

Here's what I think.

1) PPC is dead, dead, dead.

2) No matter what they made people would bitch.

3) PPC is still dead.

4) Hyperion ****ed them out of using AROS but people are complaining they are not using an amiga os. It could have been aros, if hyperion didn't **** them into using linux instead. If you feel that strongly about wanting an amiga  os on what they are making, petition hyperion to let them use aros and stop bitching about it.

5) That vic slim is damn sexy. I could think of great things to do with one of those... Or a few of those around my house.

6)  PPC is still dead.

7) When you pay for a premium company name made pc, you pay more. A dell cost more than a no name. Thats life. They deserve to get a bit more for their pc's than a no name gets. regardless of parts, price of parts, whatever.


All the pr problems they had could be fixed by shutting up and getting product out the door. This is hard to do if your really working your ass off.
and have to take alot of time I suppose to defend your efforts and your vision. I don't envy anyone in that position, because it sucks. If you shut up your dodging questions. If you speak your damned for speaking your mind.

9) A reboot of the commodore continuity and amiga timeline is a difficult task.
What an incredible story commodore and amiga have had. Imagine suddenly inheriting that, and suddenly being responsible for that legacy. Anyone's shoulders would be bruised by such a burden.

10) PPC is still dead, dead dead, so don't bitch they went x86. At least they acknowledge reality when planning their projects.

my two cents.

Steven

[commodorejohn]

7) When you pay for a premium company name made pc, you pay more. A dell cost more than a no name. Thats life. They deserve to get a bit more for their pc's than a no name gets. regardless of parts, price of parts, whatever.

While this is true enough, for 50-90% markup (and I'm being generous to them with that estimate,) the damn thing ought to come in a coach drawn by unicorns and driven by half a dozen attractive women who give free massages.

And anyway there's still the matter of them being shadier than a back alley at midnight, compulsively rude, and unable to think through the most basic aspects of PC design without a whole forum to point out their elementary mistakes to them.

[danwood]

I can tell you never made music on the amiga. Especially now that 8bit sound is cool again, many people in electonic scene going for that phat old skool sound. The amiga has awesome low end bass for some reason and if you try to use emulation on pcs with uae using Amiga trackers it just doesnt sound as good.

You 'tell' wrong then as I spent many a happy hour in ProTracker and Octamed soundstudio, but if someone asked me "What was the defining feature of the Commodore Amiga platform, what really set it apart from everything else?", a pre-emptive multitasking operating system, a unique set of custom chips (all of them, with Agnus/Denise probably the leading ones), killer graphics, unique coin-op quality games would all come above "the Paula sound chip" for things the Amiga was famous for.    Personally I consider the graphical capabilities of the Amiga much more impressive than the audio side.

The C64 was more famous for its sound chip than the Amiga, I've never really met anyone who considers the Amiga's biggest strength its audio capabilities, sure they were neat for a while, but by the time the a4000 hit it was pretty lame in comparison to other machines.  Even the Atari ST I'd say was more famous for music use than the Amiga.  Paula was decent enough but it was nothing unique really, by the early 90s it was decidedly average and by the time 1992 ticked around and the A4000/A1200 it was sub-par, it was an 8-bit chip in a 32-bit platform, sorry but it wasn't the most mind-blowing feature of the Amiga to me, or most people around by then.

Just baffles me I guess when I see people ask 'What makes an Amiga' and people start gushing over Paula as if that was the killer feature of the platform, never seen that outside of this forum!

[KimmoK]

... Even the Atari ST I'd say was more famous for music use than the Amiga.

And that was not because Paula was bad. Actually Amigas audio was much better.
But Atari came with MIDI port (for Amiga you had to buy it separately) and had cheap highres black and white monitor. The display and MIDI was the key to Atari's success in Audio.


IMHO: even today PAULA is ok for Audio, it's 14bit calibrated output is very good.
Most standard x86 sound chips have things like loud background noice that make the audio experience very poor.

[danwood]

And that was not because Paula was bad. Actually Amigas audio was much better.
But Atari came with MIDI port (for Amiga you had to buy it separately) and had cheap highres black and white monitor. The display and MIDI was the key to Atari's success in Audio.


IMHO: even today PAULA is ok for Audio, it's 14bit calibrated output is very good.
Most standard x86 sound chips have things like loud background noice that make the audio experience very poor.

Paula wasn't bad, it was ok, but personally I wouldn't even class it in the top 10 of amazing features of the Amiga, let alone the number 1.  The graphics and OS were much more ground breaking and alluring.

[persia]

@haywirepc

The Vic Slim is somebody else's failure that C=USA attached their name to.  Who wants wires coming out of your keyboard?  And it's one careless Venti Caramel Mocha away from the tip....  

I hear by nominate the Vic Slim for dumb arse product of the year.

[Iggy]

... PPC is dead...

Steven

Its ALIVE!


IBM, Freescale, and Applied Micro would all disagree with you Steven.
As would the manufacturers of all three major gaming platforms.
AND I'd love to have one of the Nintendo Wii U's Power7 based processors in a computer system.

Its Alive whether you like it or not!

@haywirepc

The Vic Slim is somebody else's failure that C=USA attached their name  to.  Who wants wires coming out of your keyboard?  And it's one careless  Venti Caramel Mocha away from the tip....  

I hear by nominate the Vic Slim for dumb arse product of the year.

Oh yeah! sexy!

[Ral-Clan]

Here are 2 simple rules....

1. If it has no Paula chip it is no Amiga.
2. If it can't execute Defender of the Crown natively without any emulator it is not an Amiga system/Amiga OS.

While I love classic Amigas, I don't agree with this definition.  I think that even if Commodore had not died, and had instead continued to develop the Amiga line until this day, whatever modern Amiga that would have developed would have required an emulator to run the classic era stuff (like the Macs did when they switched from 68K to PPC).

[Ral-Clan]

It's a toss up between Asha Develder and Kiki Stockhammer.

But how could it be Asha Develder?

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=39793

[CSixx]

Ooh, dramatic way to make a post. Anonymous female lurker has something to say...
Your sentiments are in-line with the majority here, why so top-secret?

And btw, its hardly an "article"....

[giZmo350]

@haywirepc
 
4) Hyperion ****ed them out of using AROS but people are complaining they are not using an amiga os. It could have been aros, if hyperion didn't **** them into using linux instead. If you feel that strongly about wanting an amiga os on what they are making, petition hyperion to let them use aros and stop bitching about it.
 
 
.....How did Hyperion **** CUSA out of AROS? That's total BS! How did Hyperion have anything to do with CUSA's business plan or, for that matter, the lack of one?! Does AROS contain some elements of what Hyperion rightly owns? If so then all CUSA has to do is pay Hyperion a royalty fee! If Hyperion said NO to that then that's Hyperion's business. If Hyperion's only goal is to stop Amiga OS X86 then why don't they put out a hit on the AROS Development Team?
 
 
5) That vic slim is damn sexy. I could think of great things to do with one of those... Or a few of those around my house.
 
 
....Then buy some! And put AROS on them! Better yet just put AmiKit on them!
 
 
All the pr problems they had could be fixed by shutting up and getting product out the door. This is hard to do if your really working your ass off.
and have to take alot of time I suppose to defend your efforts and your vision. I don't envy anyone in that position, because it sucks. If you shut up your dodging questions. If you speak your damned for speaking your mind.
 
 
....."Defend what efforts"?! What vision?! What does Hyperion or AROS have to do with CUSA's efforts?! CUSA is what it is!!! Why should Hyperion or AROS just hand over YEARS of hard work to CUSA? Just so that CUSA can reap all the profits off other peoples' backs? Is Hyperion and AROS just supposed to hand over their work for the good of the "community"? Is CUSA paying you?
 
 
9) A reboot of the commodore continuity and amiga timeline is a difficult task. What an incredible story commodore and amiga have had. Imagine suddenly inheriting that, and suddenly being responsible for that legacy. Anyone's shoulders would be bruised by such a burden.
 
 
.... INHERITING?!!!! Exactly my point!!! CUSA doesn't have the right to inherit ANYTHING! You mean STEAL? YOU ARE EFFING CRAZY!!! :crazy:
 
"Imagine suddenly inheriting that, and suddenly being responsible for that legacy. Anyone's shoulders would be bruised by such a burden."
 
Oh poor CUSA!!! TFB!!! Where do you come up with such thoughts? You make it sound like CUSA has the "RIGHT" to be some sort of dictatorship by proxy! GFY! According to you, it would seem that every company that has anything to do with AMIGA should just hand it over to CUSA! Why don't you just apply your own logic and go beg CUSA for some free stuff and see how far you get! POOR CUSA MY A$$! Oh poor CUSA is "bruised!" YAFC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!