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PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« on: March 13, 2012, 07:48:09 PM »
Hi!
Is it possible to modify Samsung SFD-321B REV.L to use as DF0 (internal drive) of Amiga 500? I know that there are many threads how to mod SFD-321B, but components are totally in different places, beacause they are different revision.
Thanks in advance!
-Eemil
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2012, 09:06:34 PM »
I don't know how to modify them myself, but one of these would work: http://www.amigamaniac.com/pc2afda.html
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2012, 02:33:20 PM »
Hi all again! :D

I found an old floppy drive. It's called "Chinon". I think that Amiga's internal floppy drive is same brand. I took some images from it, there's the back label of the floppy drive:


then there's floppy drive's "jumpers":


and there's just picture of the drive:


So, how to mod this drive, or do I need to even mod this, because this contains the jumpers for DS1, DS0, DC, RDY... etc.

Thanks in advance
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2012, 02:52:14 PM »
Okay, I've removed this once already, but I'm pretty certain the FZ-357 is a native Amiga drive.  Then I remembered the 354s, then I got hella confused.  So, I present this page in my defense/for the prosecution:

http://www.freewebs.com/computolio/amiga_floppy_compatibility.html

Ah, if only "modern" floppy drives were so easy configure (look at all those jumpers.)

Mind you, things are going to get rougher as time goes on and floppy drives are not so easy to come across.
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2012, 02:57:02 PM »
Quote from: LoadWB;684396
Ah, if only "modern" floppy drives were so easy configure (look at all those jumpers.)

Mind you, things are going to get rougher as time goes on and floppy drives are not so easy to come across.

Whoa! Didn't know that! Odd, that my PC's floppy drive was Chinon. Incredible! But, this one IS HD floppy drive! And then how to place the jumpers, that it works correctly in Amiga?

Thanks

-Eemil
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 02:59:16 PM by SilverZguru »
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2012, 03:00:43 PM »
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Whoa! Didn't know that! Odd, that my PC's floppy drive was Chinon. I knew that the Chinon brand is used in Amiga, but I didn't know that this is the same model! Incredible! But, this one IS HD floppy drive! How can amiga's FD be HD?? And then how to place the jumpers, that it works correctly in Amiga?

Thanks

-Eemil


Amiga supports HD floppies, just that the Amiga drives ran at 1/2 speed when using an HD disk as Paula can't handle the doubled data rate of HD media.  I use HD drives in all of my Amiga units (500+, 1000, 1200, 2000, 3000, 4000.)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2012, 03:08:38 PM »
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Amiga supports HD floppies, just that the Amiga drives ran at 1/2 speed when using an HD disk as Paula can't handle the doubled data rate of HD media.  I use HD drives in all of my Amiga units (500+, 1000, 1200, 2000, 3000, 4000.)


But do you know how to set jumpers? I want to test my FD and see will it work. :D
Thanks in advance!

-Eemil
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2012, 04:42:44 PM »
Check this link for floppy drive infos: http://www.freewebs.com/computolio/amiga_floppy_compatibility.html
I have seen the jumper settings somewhere...let me look...
Found it, You have to close DS0, MM, RDY and TTL/C-MOS

Also, if that does not work then you need to do this:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=60055
« Last Edit: March 19, 2012, 04:48:11 PM by amiman99 »
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2012, 06:48:25 PM »
The Chinon FZ 357 should not be high density. It's the FZ 357 A that's high density.
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2012, 06:51:47 PM »
Hi!
Got it working now! BUT.... After I opened the case and did the mod, my Chinon makes TERRIBLE sound :( Is it some mechanics? How can I fix it, if it is?
There's Youtube video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBey7KCDAw4&feature=youtu.be (I hope that video shows correctly)

Any ideas? I just want to get that working after I did the mod and still... This Chinon fits perfectly to Amiga 500's case! :(

Thanks!!!
-Eemil
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2012, 07:25:53 PM »
Quote from: SilverZguru;684414
Hi!
Got it working now! BUT.... After I opened the case and did the mod, my Chinon makes TERRIBLE sound :( Is it some mechanics? How can I fix it, if it is?
There's Youtube video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBey7KCDAw4&feature=youtu.be (I hope that video shows correctly)

Any ideas? I just want to get that working after I did the mod and still... This Chinon fits perfectly to Amiga 500's case! :(

Thanks!!!
-Eemil

First try to elevate the drive a little bit, the wheel may scrape at the bottom.
It sounds normal if the disk is BAD. Did you try another disk?
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A3000 KS 3.1, 68030 25MHz, 16MB RAM
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2012, 08:15:26 PM »
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First try to elevate the drive a little bit, the wheel may scrape at the bottom.
It sounds normal if the disk is BAD. Did you try another disk?


I tried elevate it, but it didn't help. And it does this same thing on PC and also on Amiga. Tested many disks. Also this workbench disk works PERFECTLY on my old drive. :( Any ideas? Could it be bad solder, or bad mod? Or is it just mechanical?
Thanks in advance!

PS, before when I tested it on PC (no mods) the sound was normal. Now I get errors on PC that it doesn't detect the drive or sometimes it detects :(
-Eemil
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2012, 08:50:55 PM »
Which mod did you use on the drive?
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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 05:59:35 AM »
Hi!
I am using mod, where you need to solder jumpers called J2 and J18, because I have made in japan version.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2012, 06:03:10 AM by SilverZguru »
Just some beginner stuff: 2 Amiga 500s, external FD, 512kb expansion mem, RGB Scart, some random joysticks :lol:, Amiga mouse (Tank model) and some floppies... And a dead Commodore 64C with Datassette cassette drive and RGB->composite wire. And some tapes, self made with computer and normal recordable cassette deck :)
 

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Re: PC Floppy modifying to use with Amiga500
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 04:55:13 PM »
There maybe few possibilities that the drive is not working, like solder is not making contact, solder may touch other components (so verify your solder blobs), verify that the jumpers are correct, and maybe your drive just does not like to be in Amiga.
BTW, same drive in my A1000 is very noisy, but it works.
A500 KS 2.1, 1MB Chip, 68000
A600 KS 3.1, 2MB Chip, ACA630 32MB RAM
A1000 KS 1.3, 8MB RAM
A1200 KS 3.1, Blizzard IV 50MHz 64MB RAM
A2000 KS 2.1, 68030 25MHz, 6MB RAM
A3000 KS 3.1, 68030 25MHz, 16MB RAM
A4000 KS 3.0, 68040 25MHz, 16MB RAM
CDTV KS 3.1, 4MB RAM
CD32
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