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Offline Iggy

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #29 from previous page: March 06, 2012, 02:18:51 AM »
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remember owb is alien and not "amiga" native software. or have you not heard that one before?

Yeah, far too often and with similar sentiments from the MOS community.
Its not "native", it relies on something we don't have (Java et al), its too big, there isn't anyone willing to commit time to it, and that last big one...we need to start a bounty.

Argh! Time to brush up on the coding skills a just do it myself.
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2012, 02:41:40 AM »
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OOO..That was just mean.
Besides, they've still got OWB (even if they had to get one of our developers to update it for them).


mean? how so? The Timberwolf update is a definite improvement and loads lightening fast, alot of Add Ons work great and youtube vidoes work albeit slowly but it's still in Alpha and yes I use it everyday.  Fab, kas1e and Denil did a great job on mui-owb and I have no idea why anyone would call it 'alien' as it works just great .
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2012, 05:45:37 AM »
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Sorry, buy I've seen many cases of this where the manufacturers even place holographic stickers on the computers to detect if the case has been opened.


They can put those stickers where ever they want to but opening the case wont void the warranty.
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2012, 07:29:26 AM »
Please differ between the mandatory material defect liability of the seller and the and the optional (and often extended) warranty provided by the manufacturer (when it comes to end-consumers).
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2012, 07:59:04 AM »
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They can put those stickers where ever they want to but opening the case wont void the warranty.


So were the warranty seals on my A500 and A1200 not legally binding?
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2012, 08:52:50 AM »
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I've never heard of opening the computer case to terminate a warranty. In fact, even swapping the cards don't terminate it. All these operations are regular maintenance and expected events in the lifetime of a computer. Of course if you botch up and break something, fixing that won't be under warranty.


Pretty common stuff really, when I supported Gateway PC's they had a sticker over the edge of the case to stop you from gaining entry "void warranty" liked that stopped anyone.

PCD (local brand) machines same thing, also just take a look at the bottom of the A500/A1200 etc... (thats if the sticker is still there) it's been done for awhile now :-)
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2012, 09:54:23 AM »
About warranty seals.

When I worked at a mainstream PC shop, every desktop got a warranty seal after it was built.
It was 100% the same for HW like HP PCs at the late 1990/early2000.
Also my A4000 had the warranty seal, but it had been broken by the importer who added 2MB chip RAM to it, I added HDD, FAST RAM, etc... But still the warranty worked 100%, once the simm socket had to be fixed and once the A3640 board..
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2012, 10:35:34 AM »
Honestly, every PC I've ever bought had the sticker that warned about voiding warranty if the seal was broken, except perhaps with my first Atari 800XL.  I know my A3000 did, because I recall throwing a Supra 2400zi modem in it myself and then later taking it in with bad memory in it and there was no issues with warranty.

I always saw it as an ass saving measure on the part of the manufacturers, really.  Some clown comes in with a CPU ripped off the board, you can wag your finger at him and say "sorry, you did this yourself when you should have taken it to an authorized service dealer", but in my experiences they never gave 2 craps about some guy just putting a modem in a machine if a completely unrelated problem later popped up.

In regards to the X1000, from day one I always felt the biggest mistake was the fact they didn't simply offer an Acube style mobo only option for system builders.  While the X1000 may be attractive to some, there's a huge number of people that find prebuilt machines absolutely reprehensible, whether they be an Amiga or a windows pc.  I don't need a prebuilt machine, I refuse to pay the price of them when I am entirely capable of building what I consider a much more attractive system to MY specs for less cost.  Last prebuilt PC I bought was well over 10 years ago, and I wouldn't have bought my SAM if it was only offered in prebuilt form.
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2012, 11:15:57 AM »
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In regards to the X1000, from day one I always felt the biggest mistake was the fact they didn't simply offer an Acube style mobo only option for system builders.

given how much problems some users are obviously putting a working os4 system together, i think the choice to provide a preconfigured machine was actually a better one.
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2012, 11:41:33 AM »
Point taken, very valid.  I honestly had a high degree of interest in the X1000, hoping it would be available in mobo/OS only form.  Looking back, prolly a good thing it didn't turn out that way.  From a profit angle I can see why they would prefer the prebuilt method, however - but at that price, it shut the door on many people.  A mobo only option at a decent rate would have done wonders, imho.  Honestly, I hated the case more than anything, that put me off a great deal - but that's merely personal preference.

I haven't had a lick of trouble out of my SAM/OS4 rig, which I bought in bare mobo form - and I haven't heard out of anyone having trouble with the SAM's they put together themselves.
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2012, 11:46:51 AM »
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Just wondering what people think about this:

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=908#p11316

First thought that came into my head was "jorkany got far to much time on his hands looking at a support forum for hardware he not got and not interested and needs another hobby, " but I digress, I too found the comment a little odd from Amigakit, considering you can expand the AmigaONE, it has Xorro slot, 2x PCIx1 slots and another PCIx16 slot empty so their are slots not in use, I'm half intrested to know if a PCIx1 convert to PCI slot could work here for another graphics card?
http://www.beaglesoft.com/pcie2pci.htm

But any way from what I can make out on my warrenty information their nothing wrong with opening up my AmigaOne and putting what I like in it as long as I correctly installed the device and device I installed did'nt cause a fault. I think all that he is saying is the current setup is a proven and tested setup if you mess with it then obviously they can no longer guarantee that.
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #40 on: March 06, 2012, 11:56:25 AM »
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I haven't heard out of anyone having trouble with the SAM's they put together themselves.


here you go:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=35226&forum=33

while, as it seems this isnt exactly customary to talk about the problems in the open, it rather appears usual to accept them as a part of the deal and only report back in case of major breakage. you might notice remarks such as to head with it to hyperion forum. not that it obviously helps so much, but it "keeps noise level down" and "trolls off".;)
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #41 on: March 06, 2012, 01:00:05 PM »
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First thought that came into my head was "jorkany got far to much time on his hands looking at a support forum for hardware he not got and not interested and needs another hobby, "


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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #42 on: March 06, 2012, 01:26:12 PM »
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So were the warranty seals on my A500 and A1200 not legally binding?


Dunno. At least in Finland they arent. On the other hand Amiga 500 doesnt have serviceable parts inside and you shouldnt have any reason to open it.
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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #43 on: March 06, 2012, 01:32:25 PM »
at least the a600/1200 had an expansion door to attach regular upgrades such as accels without the neccessity to open the case. the hd upgrade was another question though, whis has seldom be handled in exactly professional way i must admit..
 

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Re: X1000 - what do you think of this
« Reply #44 on: March 06, 2012, 02:01:38 PM »
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That's why it's called BETATESTER/EarlyBird/FirstEncounters version. Onboard components does not yet have full support.


If you want to speculate about why those components still don't have support after 2+ years of development, please start another thread. This thread is for discussion on why a computer claimed to be "teh NEW Amiga!" doesn't support the time-honored Amiga tradition of tinkering.