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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #14 from previous page: March 03, 2012, 05:10:06 AM »
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@slayer

Im not talking about camps, amiga is dead many years ago but still cool... well, speak about this is a waste of time, congratulations for your "amigas".

 Amiga is still alive!

My first Amiga was the Amiga 1200, I bought it when Commodore still exist. It really was ****.

For the price of my Amiga 1200 I could buy a 386 which did circles around my A1200 and my cousin's A4000 put together.

Because, unfortunately, pathetic idiots from Commodore forgot to add chunky pixels modes to AGA.

What made any application that drew something 10 times slower on Amiga than pc with the same clock.

Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc.

And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.

It's much better than the days of the commodore.

This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.
 

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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2012, 08:34:57 PM »
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Oh for gods sake. Why must someone always go straight for the "let's start a red camp/blue camp argument again" complete rehash of every other red/blue thread we've seen before.
Yeah, you're quite right. I used to do this, and I think I'm going to stop, because it's not as if were arguing about facts of nature here :)
 

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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2012, 11:35:35 PM »
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Amiga is still alive!

My first Amiga was the Amiga 1200, I bought it when Commodore still exist. It really was ****.

For the price of my Amiga 1200 I could buy a 386 which did circles around my A1200 and my cousin's A4000 put together.

Because, unfortunately, pathetic idiots from Commodore forgot to add chunky pixels modes to AGA.

What made any application that drew something 10 times slower on Amiga than pc with the same clock.

Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc.

And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.

It's much better than the days of the commodore.

This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.


Hmm,... where to start with how wrong you are?
Firstly an a4k, in any guise outperforms any 386, let alone "an a1200 and a4k combined". Want chunky modes? Simple. Use chunky mode hardware. It's not rocket science. Even using non chunky modes an a4k will outperfom a 386 for tasks that favor chunky type data 9 times out of 10.

As for "And we can use without problems PC graphic cards in ours Amigas.",... well, its not that "simple" either. We can use a handful of second hand, obsolete cards, sure, but thats about it. As for "Today Amiga are maybe 2 times slower on one core than the latest pc", well, that's also complete nonsense. On the occasional task a top end ppc mac might get somewhere near that, but for the most part "amigas" are just as far away from pcs in terms of performance as they where back in the Commodore days. Probably even further away.
As for, "It's much better than the days of the commodore",.... what weird twisted reality are you living in. At least we had original, interesting software back then and not just sub-par ports of open source software + a few homebrew scraps as is the case today.
Not to say I dont appreciate the work people have done. I myself have done a number of ports for "NG" platforms, but there's a huge chasm between what we get these days vs. yesteryear.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 11:41:11 PM by fishy_fiz »
Near as I can tell this is where I write something under the guise of being innocuous, but really its a pot shot at another persons/peoples choice of Amiga based systems. Unfortunately only I cant see how transparent and petty it makes me look.
 

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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2012, 12:01:57 AM »
Quote from: ppcamiga1;682268

This sick perverted cult of classic Amiga, is incomprehensible.

Hey, I'm in the blue camp, but I can't agree with this.

How many 20 year old computers do you know of that can still be put to productive use (that people are still creating new hardware and software for)?

Now people with attitudes like Kickstart' bug me.
You run your "real" Amiga, and I'll run my definitely not Amiga. And I'll run circles around you.
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Amiga! "Our appeal has become more selective"
 

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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 02:38:24 AM »
@Iggy,

The reason the days of the Commodore Amiga's superiority is "incomprehensible" to ppcamiga1, is because he was probably too young to understand it and all he could understand were some pretty graphics from a VGA video card, without thinking about installing a RTG card into his A2000, or A4000 and running CyberGraphX, or Picasso96.  Any 386 was not much to brag about, when compared to even the stock A500, considering what there was available to run on it and how poorly it could run without the Amiga's ability to multi-task smoothly.

He obviously was either not an Amiga user back then and only used his Amiga as a game console, or he was too young to understand and can't remember how things really were.  No one could really show up the Amiga until Pentium class PC's started showing up, unless you are talking about only games, which game production companies started spending a lot of money developing after sound and better video cards became available for PC's.

Yet another senseless and non-productive thread.

I have got to get out of here.  Maybe I will just ask to have my account deleted, so I won't be tempted to respond to threads like this one any longer.
How are you helping the Amiga community? :)
 

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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2012, 02:46:36 AM »
Thanks for the moment of sanity David.
I must admit that these tired discussions are wearing me down as well.
I feel strangely compelled to respond, but can't help but feel its pointless.

We could all be spending our time more productively.
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Re: Another golden age?
« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2012, 04:42:56 AM »
Quote from: ByteRyder;682032
X1000, AOne500, New accelerator cards, Adapters and Interfaces, Flickerfixers, Natami,  and now we're going to have a PPC netbooks for AmigaOS. More and more HW is introduced for new, old or compatible Amiga systems.

These people have absolutely no respect for other people's wallets.

And I've just ordered a MAS Player for my A1200. AmigaKit takes blame for that!


Well, at least the thread started off in a positive way.  Seems that the pessimists tend to (like to?) dominate these threads. WTF?  Please take your negativity elsewhere.