Buying SAM 460 to replace my PC

[Tempest]

Really? I have a sam440ep and i was always under the impression that it was a NG amiga or was i mislead?

Yep, it's just an Amiga clone like Aros and MorphOS. IMHO no matter how much money you spend on it, it's still not a real Amiga. 97% of the software available for OS4 is just a mediocre to bad Linux port. Sorry but everything you can run on a 1000+$ Sam440ep runs better on a 50$ x86 running Linux.

[Duce]

Thanks Hans, I'll try to disable the boot image entirely with your MODULE Kickstart/bootimage advice.

Yeh, I am sure that's what the delay is - when it sits there for 7 seconds with just the splashscreen showing, I can't think of what else it would be.  Nothing else has changed, and the machine actually stays on the splashscreen longer than the entire boot process from cold to usable status ever did previously.  It got much worse with the latest update it seems.

[danwood]

I highly doubt that the new splash-screen is the cause. AmigaOS 4.x has had a boot screen for ages, and changing the colour of the pixels won't suddenly slow it down. Have you added "run >NIL:" in front of the line that starts up networking? Maybe you used to have that, and forgot to reinsert it after an update. The complete line in my startup-sequence reads:

Run >NIL: NIL: Execute S:Network-Startup

I don't like doing this as I have some Commodities that expect net access on boot, so I get a heap of requesters complaining doing it this way, as the network stack often hadn't loaded up by the time Workbench had loaded.

[Hans_]

Thanks Hans, I'll try to disable the boot image entirely with your MODULE Kickstart/bootimage advice.

Yeh, I am sure that's what the delay is - when it sits there for 7 seconds with just the splashscreen showing, I can't think of what else it would be.  Nothing else has changed, and the machine actually stays on the splashscreen longer than the entire boot process from cold to usable status ever did previously.  It got much worse with the latest update it seems.

The boot screen has absolutely no impact on the boot time once the screen shows. The only delay is the time taken to load the boot image, and open the screen.

Usually, when the boot screen sits there for several seconds, it's due to a router taking its time in delivering an IP address via DHCP. This is why I mentioned the startup-sequence change that allows booting to continue even though the network isn't up yet.

Hans

[kickstart]

SAMs are not Amigas, when will people understand this? Probably never :lol:

sam arent amigas and os4 arent amigaos, just put os4 for classics to a a1200/4000 and see the difference.

[Iggy]

Yep, it's just an Amiga clone like Aros and MorphOS. IMHO no matter how much money you spend on it, it's still not a real Amiga. 97% of the software available for OS4 is just a mediocre to bad Linux port. Sorry but everything you can run on a 1000+$ Sam440ep runs better on a 50$ x86 running Linux.

Don't worry dude.
Its a Amiga "clone" with hardware that's much more powerful then a "real" Amiga.
All NG Amiga's are designed to have 3.1 API compatibility. No hardware compatibility, but the hardware is obsolete.
So you can wait for a hobbyist to invent a FPGA based "new" Amiga, or move on.

Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.

[Iggy]

sam arent amigas and os4 arent amigaos, just put os4 for classics to a a1200/4000 and see the difference.

Actually, that would be a good idea for some of you. Try it.
Some older software that won't run of newer PPC based machines runs on PPC equipped Amigas (because it can hit hardware not present on a Sam or X1000).

Oh, and not all programs under AOS4 (and MorphOS for that matter) are bad Linux ports. Personally, there are a few OpenGL based ports under MorphOS that make any game under older Amiga OS versions look sad.

[eb15]

While I'm sure you could enjoy a new Sam, let's correct misconceptions in your list as to why:

>Advantage of doing this change:
>1) No viruses ever on my computer
>2) No more stupid malware

Just because you aren't aware of any such things today doesn't mean there aren't or won't be such things in the future, specifically if its Internet enabled.  web browsers and their javascript engines can have security issues that don't depend on the underlying OS and CPU type.  

Unix based codes might not have proper security checks when running in an Amiga OS type environment because some hacks were made to quickly port the code and security testing lacking because the original code expects the OS to behave in ways that are common for Unix but not for an Amiga OS.    You only feel safe because the small market share doesn't make you the most tempting and lowest hanging fruit to compromise.

3) Faster speed boot time and response time to applications
OK, that may be true.  

4) save in my electric bill as I am using 400+watt power supply but the  SAM 460 need only 100 watt to run. Saving a lot in heat and energy.

The power supply wattage isn't what it consumes on a constant basis, it is what it can put out dynamically if necessary.  If your cpu, disks, gfx card are low power you'll never come close to dissipating 400W by any part of the system.  Many PCs ship with overbuilt power supplies because the vendors don't want someone hooking up all the most power hungry components they can imagine and blowing it out.

[AmigaClassicRule]

Hey guys? Is this the mac mini I need to buy to run MorphOS? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Desktop-A1103-1-42Ghz-80GB-512MB-/170784571865?pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item27c38dc1d9
 
Another question, if I do buy this mac mini can I just download morphOS on this machien directly and install it on the machine right away without any necessary hacks, emulators, etc? Would it install stand-alone like linux, AmigaOS 4.1 on SAM,etc?
 
Can I just download the MorphOS ISO image, burn it on a CD, place the CD into this mac mini, boot mac mini and bang she installs the morphOS right on the HD?
 
If the answer is yes then I will try MorphOS right away and if i do like it, I will register it also right away. Thanks in advance.  If it does work I will turn Mac mini as a morphOS only OS.

[Piru]

Hey guys? Is this the mac mini I need to buy to run MorphOS? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Mac-Mini-Desktop-A1103-1-42Ghz-80GB-512MB-/170784571865?pt=Apple_Desktops&hash=item27c38dc1d9

Yes
 

Another question, if I do buy this mac mini can I just download morphOS on this machien directly and install it on the machine right away without any necessary hacks, emulators, etc?

Yes

Would it install stand-alone like linux, AmigaOS 4.1 on SAM,etc?

Yes
 

Can I just download the MorphOS ISO image, burn it on a CD, place the CD into this mac mini, boot mac mini and bang she installs the morphOS right on the HD?

Yes

[AmigaClassicRule]

Nnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiicceeeee buying it here we come!!!!!!!!!!

[zylesea]

Nnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiiiiicceeeee buying it here we come!!!!!!!!!!

I have a 1.5 GHz mini and it flies! Have fun with your mini.

Another great feature of MorphOS: updates are free (hence there's no need wait with registration while a new version is on the horizon but not there yet (3.0)).

[Tempest]

Don't worry dude.
Its a Amiga "clone" with hardware that's much more powerful then a "real" Amiga.
All NG Amiga's are designed to have 3.1 API compatibility. No hardware compatibility, but the hardware is obsolete.
So you can wait for a hobbyist to invent a FPGA based "new" Amiga, or move on.

Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.

Uhh, I'm not worried at all dude :p

I've used MorphOS from 2003 until 2010 so I know what I'm talking about, It's one of the two reasons I stopped using MorphOS allthough I liked it and IMHO it's by far the best AmigaOS clone out there but I totally lost interrest in MorphOS and any of the other alternative Amiga OS's. I'm happy with my real Amiga's, they do what I expect them to do and there's tons of software written especially for them.

It's got notting to do with the term 'purist' or ' emulation' at all, I just came to the conclusion that I can run all the software (mostly Linux ports) available for the clone's much better and faster on cheaper  and easily available hardware with my preferred OS (Linux), so why should I waste my money, time and effort with any of the clone's when I allready got what I want and need.

It's not the OS that made the Amiga famous, it was the software written for it which was innovative and the creativity of its users, sadly none of the alternatives bring that to the table.

[Kesa]

Yes

Piru? Showing emotion?  :eek:

[Thorham]

Purists are always going to throw that term "emulation" around, but emulation runs circles around "real" its time to get over it.

I don't think purists even care about that at all

[Kesa]

Your right. DosBox sux.