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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2004, 05:04:22 PM »
@ redrumloa

Are you actually thinking of starting a new company to develop new hardware for the "classic" Amiga market? Wow! Are you thinking of living on this, or will it be more "a work of love"?

A bold mission nevertheless, since the few classics still not in the closet are probably dying in an increasing pase.

And just out of curiousity, who are "we"?

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I'll start first.
-> I'd like a new PPC accelerator for classic Amigas at a reasonable price.

We are actually evaluating it, but to be completely honest it's not likely to happen. The cost of R&D would probably never get recouped, even if OS4 became a smash hit on classic boxes:-(


It could perhaps be made "the Eyetech" way; buying a batch of pre-made boards from outside the community and sell them here? Wasn't the SharkPPC (at least the first "versions") very similar to a certain Mac PCI based CPU upgrade? The software part might be a nightmare though ...

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And now YOU. What would YOU like to see? We are thinking mainly hardwarewise. Would you like to see a cheaper RGB->VGA adapter? An extinct product ressurected? What? I'd really like to hear alot of opinions. This is mainly aimed at hardware, not software.


The Amiga was traditionally very strong on Video/TV production. It worked both on PAL and NTSC, and in several resolutions. The custom graphics chips could be synced from an external source, so it was very popular to use it with genlocks. The custom hardware made things very smooth and flicker free, without heavy CPU usage.

Both the BoXeR and the Commodore One uses/would use FPGA's to accomplish solutions very similar to the Amiga custom chips, with coppers, blitters, hardware sprites, etc (of course, the C-1 also has to take the C64 in account).

Both the Pegasos and the A1 hardware goes the mainstream PC/Mac way, with all standard components. That is great for a cost/price POV, but it does not make the hardware stand out.

I would like to see a new "Amiga" custom chipset. It could be made with FPGA's, fast and easy (ehrm, sort of at least). The features of the Xilinx Virtex-II Pro FPGA's looks kind of interesting IMO, as an option they can even include PPC CPU cores on the chip (up to four of them).

Forget about advanced 3D, there is no way (and no reason) to compete with the 3D chips developers. This is about powerful 2D with consumer TV's and video production in mind, with improved custom chips features. Perhaps some basic 3D functionality that can be used for 2D planes manipulation (for zooming, twisting, rotating, picture in picture, etc). It should be flexible and powerful in screen resolutions and modes (all VGA/SVGA resolutions/modes included, all TV modes, and it should go as far as HDTV), it should use 32 bit graphic (alpha channel in hardware), it should offer multiple displays, it should have a blitter, a copper, "windowing mode" (smooth HW scrolling of a small view of a much bigger screen), etc. It should offer HW antialiasing. It should offer at least one video in channel, with built in genlocking functionality.

As a start you could produce a graphic card with this chipset (or with sound too, a "media" card) in PCI/AGP. This could be used outside the Amiga world too, in PC's and Mac's for video editing/broadcast solutions. It should offer high quality video output, multiple displays, lots of connector options (including component video connectors). If the chipset has a built in CPU (like the virtex), it could run an OS internally (AROS with custom low level, hardware banging drivers in asm?) which handles everything internally "the Amiga way", independent of the OS on the main board.

This chipset could also be used in STB's and other consumer electronics/home entertainment products.

A new "Amiga" motherboard with a new custom chipset would be great too. It should be PPC of course, and it would also have PCI/AGP for expansions (and 3D cards for the ones who wants one of these).

But I'm just dreaming away here! :-D

It will be interesting to see what (if anything) may come out of your plans.
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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2004, 05:08:39 PM »
I would like a fairly cheap PPC or ColdFire board for my A3000, that would be really cool. Also as mentioned previously cheap keyboard or floppy drive solutions cos they are quite hard to get hold of.  :-)
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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2004, 05:43:58 PM »
In regard to the Zorro bus, I've always wondered if a PCI-to-Zorro adaptor or . . .
a AGP-to-Zorro adaptor . . .
could enable the use of certain plentiful (and cheap) PC expansion cards on big-box Amigas? What I'm referring to is a Zorro Card base with a PCI (or AGP) bus socket offset behind it. . . . . like an 'L' shapped Zorro Card where the other card connects on the adaptor (PCI or AGP) and snugs into a stiffener vertical fitting on the Half-Zorro section.

GVP had a feature connector on certain of their GForce accellerator cards that at least one 32bit Gfx Card fitted onto.
That was the Spectrum 110/24(?), and due to the 32bit connection bypassed the 16bit ZorroII bus of the A2000.
Spectrum 110/24

With that LAST in mind; is it at all feasable to manufacture a CPU-Slot passthrough AGP connector that still allows the accellerator to be used? This last, if feasable, may be applicable to A2000 and CD32-Upgrades.

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2004, 05:47:29 PM »
I would like to see a PCI/Zorro backplane replacement for A3000D
models and preferably it shouldn't cost more than $100.
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2004, 05:50:48 PM »
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Personally, I have been looking at getting a PPC for my 3000 so I would like to see a resonably priced one hit the market :)


Yep...  A CPU Card PPC for A3000/4000.  Heck, even at a high price, it'd probably be a decent seller.  Dodgy 3rd and 4th hand ones go on eBay for hundreds.  I'd probably be willing to pay a few hundred for a one that was tested solid, but right now, there are so many defective/damaged ones on the market, who knows if one is good or not?  I'm not really willing to roll the dice on odds that bad.  The new solution needs to be compatible with the current PPC software, though.

Other projects I think would be cool.......
1) Amiga RGB -> Component Video adaptor.  I commented about this in a post here about Plasma TVs a few days ago.  As the idea kept rattling around in my brain, it kept coming back as a fairly simple thing to do, and would be a welcome addition.  Maybe tack an S-Video plug on it, as well.  Should be able to fit a form factor similiar to an A520 TV adaptor.

2) Along the same lines, I have another problem.  I use an A1200 for games.  I have an NTSC only television that I like to play games on.  Most games swtich to PAL.  Television then refuses to display.  So...  A gaming-priced PAL/NTSC converter would be useful.  This could probably be marketed cross-community, because PlayStation2 importers and such run into the same problems.  All too many TVs in North America are NTSC only.

So, how about it, sirs?
 

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2004, 05:53:24 PM »
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Are you actually thinking of starting a new company to develop new hardware for the "classic" Amiga market?


Not the classic Amiga market specifically, but that was/is one of our original intended markets.

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Are you thinking of living on this


Luckily I do not smoke crack. I do not expect to become a millionaire on such a small market. OTOH I do expect to be able to turn a small profit. It would be nice to one day be able to focus our entire energy at only the company.

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since the few classics still not in the closet are probably dying in an increasing pase.


This is our thoughts. Why are the classics getting neglected? The is no good new product out there, or the price is unreasonable. PCI adapters are nice, but who wants to pay $300-$500 to get PCI slots? I think there is only a potential market for some who agressively goes out and makes it. And no as I stated don't have idiotic visions of grandure. If we turn a small profit and have new toys to play with ourself, fine.

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And just out of curiousity, who are "we"?


The principals of the company are myself and Cybereye and work daily on it. There are a few other people in supporting, part time rolls and we have a few specific people who do alot of contract work for us. I specifically don't try to pretend that we are some huge company, but it is we not just me:-)
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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2004, 06:06:57 PM »
@Redrumloa:

Can`t we make a poll with 10 options or more? Ehm...Moderators?
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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2004, 06:24:56 PM »
Well, I wouldn't buy it, but if I was to buy something, I would buy it.  ;-)

What I'm thinking of is av DVD/MPEG/etc-addition for the Classics, with included genlock and network capabilities so that you can hook it up to your TV as a media station, in an easy manner.
I'm dabbling with a genlock (Rocgen, those old crappy ones), RGB-signals and stuff, and almost has it working so that you can watch TV as usual but with the extra addition of an Amiga screen (superimposed RGB, no composite-crap!) with iBrowse and stuff. The thing I'd like to have is a DVD-card that can play DVD's (if I hadn't bought that DVD-player ofcourse).

Oh, yeah,  as an extra addition to my own system I also have a PAR. I got it cheap, actually free, including an A3000/060 and lots of SCSI-stuff. :-D
 

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2004, 06:31:12 PM »
Red, you have Three options;

1. Develop a new OS for our 68K based Amiga's, with new features and bug fixes... Might I suggest using an open source Amiga like OS as the basis of this...

2. Make keyboards identical in every way to the A4000's keyboard except they are USB compatible (and should come with a PS/2 adaptor), this could be used with USB capible A1200 tower conversions, Pegs/A1's and PC's...

3. Talk to Dammy about his "Plans" ;-)


The choice is yours :-D

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2004, 07:35:49 PM »
G3/G4 accelerator card for A3/4000 and 1200 would be very cool, perhaps using the same Megarray socket the AmigaOne has to share CPU modules.

PCI bridge that would directly replace the Zorro riser cards in A3/4000 desktops, as well as something more like Prometheus for original tower Amigas and whatever for A1200, which would also have an AGP slot. I realize there's no way the Zorro3 slot could provide current AGP transfer speds, but it would be ncie to be able to use AGP cards, as PCI versions of the same cards I find are much harder (though not impossible) to find. This would make shopping for graphocs cards easier and also provide more variety, for example Radeon AllInWonder cards (including TV tuner/output) are not available in the PCI variants that I've seen.
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2004, 06:50:24 PM »
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Oliver Day will be solving similar problems getting his coldfire card running.


But he won't have even close to the horsepower an x86 + JIT solution would bring (or compatibility)

I wish there was a way to make such an emu-card feasible.
 

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2004, 06:59:59 PM »
I've always liked all-in-one solutions that make so-called "simple" upgrades painless.

My list would include either a box for putting a PC power supply onto a 1200 with no soldering, or maybe a custom 100-150 watt supply that is a direct replacement for the crummy 1200 power supply.  Discount deals with PPC accelerators would be sweet.  :)

A simple, compact box that houses a laptop CD-ROM or DVD, that plugs into a 1200.  I've taken my machine apart many times, but would never make it into a tower!

And of course...

A cheaper way of reading Amiga floppies on a PC.  I have to believe there's a better way to make a hardware emulator with a PCI card and, say, an EC68020, to read ONLY Amiga floppies, instead of spending almost $100 for a Flipper card that uses a custom IC to read hundreds of floppy formats.  Is an custom IC even needed to drive an Amiga floppy, or can it be done with Radio Shack parts?  :-D

Or maybe what we need is a 1.4 meg floppy drive for the Amiga... *anything* to transfer files from an Amiga to WinUAE that doesn't involve a null modem cable!

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2004, 07:07:26 PM »
I know you said not software..but...

Hardware is always great..but if you have no software that utilizes it...its just there doing nothing.  Invest in the Amizilla project..  U will be da man.  

If you write the software, the hardware will come (since both the Pegasos and A1 are already powerful systems..they just lack software)

As for hardware...I thought the BoXeR was awesome idea at the time.  

I find it difficult to believe that if you make new hardware (video) for classic Amiga's that it will actually be put to use..PC's/Mac's are more powerful and already have surpassed the classic Amiga in the video department.   If I was in your shoes I'd work on A1 or Pegasos hardware/software..that is the future.
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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2004, 07:12:44 PM »
I love how Amithlon has put real speed into AmigaOS.

Now if I could find some way to FORCE my Video Toaster/Flyer cards into my $500 homebuilt PC, I would be happy.

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2004, 07:35:08 PM »
Anybody could any idea why Bill's post is allways on the end of the threat,
evenso it has atleast 3 posts added afterwards.
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: What Amiga product do *YOU* would want. Please read.
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 12, 2004, 07:57:47 PM »
A handheld Amiga 1200 clone with a 320x200 lcd display, and a small HDD (a few gigs) which is able to boot and play games from ADFs, utilising the thousand games which are out: the old software base in a new wrapping. Having an USB connector, probably with TV out, builtin CD32 joypad and infrared/bluetooth multiplayer options (emulating the second joyport this way).

Now that would be nice for a competitive price.

My 2 eurocents :-)