AmigaOne X1000, Amiga OS 4.1.x, & Gaming

[Grapple Convoy]

Since the late 1990s, the Amiga has been years behind PCs and consoles in terms of games.

By "the late 1990s", I think you mean 1994. By then Amiga games were either poor clones of Mario and Sonic the Hedgehog, or technically limited "Doom clones".

[Iggy]

I would take it you put MorphOS in the same category as Amiga OS 4.1.x and AROS as a hobby OS only and not one folks should look at to help run their businesses or for production of modern gaming, like we have been discussing in this thread I started?
TJ

I know that would be Piru's sentiment, but I use MorphOS as often as any of my other systems.
I have Linux and Windows, but whenever possible I use MorphOS. It boots fast and has a decent web browser. I don't really care about games, but we could use an office package or a better word processor.
And it would be great if UAE was as powerful as WinUAE.

Hobbyist OS' are always in flux, buggy and unstable with features incomplete or entirely missing. MorphOS has been stable and functional for years.

[takemehomegrandma]

Curious about gaming on the Amiga platform.

Now that the AmigaOne X1000 is shipping, and Amiga OS is up to 4.1u5, I wonder if this newer more powerful NG Amiga would make a killer gaming platform also.

My guess the AmigaOne X1000 was designed for more professional use but now that it is the most powerful system to run Amiga OS 4.x, will it attract any from the outside work on the gaming capability of the Amiga platform.

Is gaming relying on strictly high GHz power to propel the 3D nature of gaming or does the respondent OS have anything to do with gaming?

Obviously most games 3D games these days are running on Windows based platform with gaming computers, high overclocked CPUs, water cooling, and all that.

But, is it that they need all this speed because of the bogged down Windows it runs on?

Can a speedy X1000 running Amiga OS make some killer gaming because of how fast the Amiga OS is?

Or again is it all about power power power?

tj

Killer gaming on X1000... :lol:

One of the later "killer games" was Starcraft 2 (just one of several killer games the last years). Just for a reference, look at the list of people involved in the "Credits" cinematic ending the single player campaign (feel free to look through the whole list to really get a feel of the amount of people involved):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Pu_j9yHCg&t=3m45s

As you can see, the list goes on for many minutes, and contains more people than most Hollywood Blockbuster movies!

The game was released worldwide on July 27, 2010. Here is part of the marketing for the game (yes, that's a Jumbo Jet painted in a SC2 theme!)

It sold 1,000,000 units the first day.  As of December the same year, the game has sold nearly 4.5 million units.

OK, hmm, so now when the "Amiga" is back in force with the X1000, why wouldn't Blizzard be interested in supporting this new technological revolution you say? After all, it's sold in, what, a hundred units? Two hundred? Three hundred?

2007 level performance of the HW, without driver support for 3D, completely lacking the SW framework needed, etc. And costing some $3,000 making it really dressed for success! I mean, how wouldn't it make sense for a game publisher to spend time developing for this gem?

PS.
Maybe if the community provides Blizzard with a free X1000 system? We could set up a bounty collecting the money from the community! Then someone living close by could go over to the Blizzard head quarter delivering it? And ssolie could provide them with the SW and information they need? This will be great! :rolleyes:

[Iggy]

Killer gaming on X1000... :lol:

One of the later "killer games" was Starcraft 2 (just one of several killer games the last years). Just for a reference, look at the list of people involved in the "Credits" cinematic ending the single player campaign (feel free to look through the whole list to really get a feel of the amount of people involved):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32Pu_j9yHCg&t=3m45s

As you can see, the list goes on for many minutes, and contains more people than most Hollywood Blockbuster movies!

The game was released worldwide on July 27, 2010. Here is part of the marketing for the game (yes, that's a Jumbo Jet painted in a SC2 theme!)

It sold 1,000,000 units the first day.  As of December the same year, the game has sold nearly 4.5 million units.

OK, hmm, so now when the "Amiga" is back in force with the X1000, why wouldn't Blizzard be interested in supporting this new technological revolution you say? After all, it's sold in, what, a hundred units? Two hundred? Three hundred?

2007 level performance of the HW, without driver support for 3D, completely lacking the SW framework needed, etc. And costing some $3,000 making it really dressed for success! I mean, how wouldn't it make sense for a game publisher to spend time developing for this gem?

PS.
Maybe if the community provides Blizzard with a free X1000 system? We could set up a bounty collecting the money from the community! Then someone living close by could go over to the Blizzard head quarter delivering it? And ssolie could provide them with the SW and information they need? This will be great! :rolleyes:

I detect a slight note of sarcasm.

[AmigaClassicRule]

............. Heck, I wouldn't even want to do a game on the PC, which is a billion times the bigger platform, because there's no point - you can get much more return on a 360 or PS3.
For gaming, consoles have taken over the market.

* Sniff * That is the most beautiful news I have ever heard in my life * sniff * Finally, finally no more stupid PC games that demand constant hardware upgrade. No more stupid PC games that lag down and slow down because of many applications open on the market or shrink to window because someone text you or send you a message. No more stupid PC game where it constantly goes to the desktop and quit because of faulty coding and constant crashing, and you have to patch it up a thousand and a hundred fifty times before it is stable enough to play and still crashes after that.

No more stupid PC games where I have to buy an 800 dollar video card to get at least decent a graphics quality without drop in frame rate......I am the happiest person in the world. I am a full blown console supported and ALL AND ALL of my xbox 360 games I buy them! Not a single game is stolen or downloaded from torrent or anything like that. All of them buy buy buy buy buy buy buy buy! Sometimes I spend 200 dollars on xbox 360 games.

In fact I am going to pre-order Mass Effect 3 and The Darkness 2 and those two games is going to cost me 120 dollars easy!!

Yup, xBox 360 IS THE THE ULTIMATE TOY!

[Frags]

...finally no more stupid PC games that demand constant hardware upgrade...

Why does everyone ALWAYS say that?  It`s utter garbage!  My 8800GT is years old and plays everything perfectly well at max settings if you choose a reasonable resolution...

[outlawal2]

Not to mention the fact that any decent machine with a decent graphics card will absolutely BLOW AWAY any console junk out there...

If you are going to spew CRAP at least make it somewhat reasonable when you do... Otherwise you just look silly...

[JC]

I have several games on my sAmiga that i have good fun playing. Some i purchased from AmigaKit, some downloaded, and others from Amiga Future CD's. I haven't tried doing emulation to play games but want to in the future.

[Seiya]

Curious about gaming on the Amiga platform.

Now that the AmigaOne X1000 is shipping, and Amiga OS is up to 4.1u5, I wonder if this newer more powerful NG Amiga would make a killer gaming platform also.

I make a summary:

X1000 is out for gaming
X1000 is out for internet
X1000 is out for Office

X1000 is ok to watch Workbench, icons and composite on FullHD
X1000 is ok  to play with MAME, Playstation 1, neogeo and maybe dosbox gaming (complex 3D games maybe not).
Maybe X1000 could run UAE games and application at full 68040/68060 speed (maybe..)

[takemehomegrandma]

composite on FullHD

What do you mean, "composite on FullHD"?

[Seiya]

What do you mean, "composite on FullHD"?

composite engine: nice effects and workbench and direcotry, transparence, ecc ecc

[stefcep2]

replied here

To elaborate, I've written all sort of things in MorphOS, here's some of the components I've touched over the last 11 years:
quark (kernel)
abox static and jit (trance) 68k emulators
abox exception handling and processing
btree,library
ramlib
sysdebug.library (built-in segtracker)
cyberguard (built-in enforcer)
exec.library
dos.library
shell
resident shell commands
utility.library
intuition.library
graphics.library
layers.library
cybergraphics.library
commodities.library
gadtools.library
cia(a|b).resource
card.resource
misc.resource
battclock.resource
battmem.resource
potgo.resource
clipboard.device
input.device
keyboard.device
timer.device
network drivers (SANA2)
monitor drivers (CGX)
scsi/sata/ide device drivers
c commands
various disk based libraries and components, too numerous to list, there are probably only a couple of things I haven't touched
datatype system
ixemul (nix port compatibility share library)
debug.lib (debug link-library)
libnix (amiga.lib replacement)
arexx
ambient, including icon and workbench libraries
contributions to poseidon (usb stack)

Degree of my involvement in each component of course varies. Some things I've written mostly myself, while other contributions are rather minor (bugfixes). The list is awfully incomplete, I  grouped ton of stuff to "various disk based libraries and components".

In short, this is what I use MorphOS for: Developing MorphOS.

Are you using tools running on Morphos to do this?  Otherwise you're not really using Morphos for anything: you're just developing Morphos.

[stefcep2]

Why does everyone ALWAYS say that?  It`s utter garbage!  My 8800GT is years old and plays everything perfectly well at max settings if you choose a reasonable resolution...

What did cost new?

[stefcep2]

Not to mention the fact that any decent machine with a decent graphics card will absolutely BLOW AWAY any console junk out there...

If you are going to spew CRAP at least make it somewhat reasonable when you do... Otherwise you just look silly...

what would a that cost?  And the obligatory fartsing around with drivers, and bugs.

1080p-hell 720p- on a 50 inch widescreen in the living room is plenty good for the VAST majority of gamers, all of whom play consoles.  Judging by the lack of shelf space PC games get-and, no, most don't buy online games, they tend not to BUY at all- PC games will slowly end up a niche platform.

[AmigaClassicRule]

what would a that cost?  And the obligatory fartsing around with drivers, and bugs.

1080p-hell 720p- on a 50 inch widescreen in the living room is plenty good for the VAST majority of gamers, all of whom play consoles.  Judging by the lack of shelf space PC games get-and, no, most don't buy online games, they tend not to BUY at all- PC games will slowly end up a niche platform.

I am seriously praying with all my heart that this will happen. Even my brother migrated from PC to console and when I ask him to play a PC game his face screw up in disgust and says "No!"

[Beast96GT]

Speaking as the owner and director of a games company, I can tell you now there is no way I would consider writing just for AmigaOS unless someone was paying me up front, because the numbers are just far too small. If you can get me £100,000 I'll get the guys started on a small game if you like, that should cover about 12 months work (as we're a very small company so we're very cheap compared to most) so we should be able to get a nice little game up.

Of course for your £100,000 you'll probably see sales - if we do a REALLY successful game - of about £10,000.

You might have a hard time getting financing with those numbers.

Honestly, I'm as pro-Amiga as anyone but seriously, the days of the Amiga as a commercial gaming platform are long gone. Heck, I wouldn't even want to do a game on the PC, which is a billion times the bigger platform, because there's no point - you can get much more return on a 360 or PS3.
For gaming, consoles have taken over the market.

If you're referring to my posts, ultimately I think you're missing my points:
1.  There would be no "successful" game on the Amiga, and certainly no one would do anything with it looking for a return on their investment!  
2.  Any work would need to be done by hobbyists or indy development teams who are probably Amiga fans themselves.  Again, for no money.  I mean, we all do this as a hobby, right?  Anybody getting rich out there on the Amiga?  Heck, people still make hardware for this thing.
3.  Any game done on the Amiga would simply be for fun, and might need to be the result of an Amiga company offering a small incentive to just to get something on it's platform.  

People make games all the time because they're fun, not always for financial gain.  

... and I also worked as a programmer for 4 years in the games industry, so I do have experience.   However, I only have an Amiga 2500 and not the time!

-Chris