dnetc benchmarks

[HenryCase]

Seems unlikely as Hyperion (not Acube) controls OS4. Also, Acuibe would hardly profit by a port to Mac hardware.

It seems my memory served me well, ACube did write Moana. Here's a thread from back in the day:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=29520

[commodorejohn]

In reality, I guess in closer to TheDaddy's point of view then takemehomegrandma. I'd like to see continued development of PPC systems. I have no interest in moving to X86 and would like to see a delay in considering a move to ARM until that platform develops more.

Quite so - I just don't know how likely that's going to be...

[Iggy]

Quite so - I just don't know how likely that's going to be...

Over the last couple of years the community has continued to surprise me.

I bought a Mac Quicksilver is anticipation of the MorphOS port and outfitted it with an SB Live card and an NEC USB 2.0 card (both PC components). When the port was released, everything worked fine.
I spent over a year considering what hardware would suit a new PPC system (even consulting Varisys, who's staff btw discouraged the consideration of the PA6T in favor of the Qorlq line).
When I first heard of the X1000, I was worried that the project would never see fruition as I knew how difficult and expensive an undertaking it was going to be.
And now its here, and it works.

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

[stevieu]

Over the last couple of years the community has continued to surprise me

....

When I first heard of the X1000, I was worried that the project would never see fruition as I knew how difficult and expensive an undertaking it was going to be.
And now its here, and it works.

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

Well said!

Steve

[zylesea]

Seems unlikely as Hyperion (not Acube) controls OS4. Also, Acuibe would hardly profit by a port to Mac hardware.

Acube is a distributor of OS4, hence they would have profited from OS4 for Mac sales. Anyway, it didn't happen.

[TheDaddy]

Over the last couple of years the community has continued to surprise me.

I bought a Mac Quicksilver is anticipation of the MorphOS port and outfitted it with an SB Live card and an NEC USB 2.0 card (both PC components). When the port was released, everything worked fine.
I spent over a year considering what hardware would suit a new PPC system (even consulting Varisys, who's staff btw discouraged the consideration of the PA6T in favor of the Qorlq line).
When I first heard of the X1000, I was worried that the project would never see fruition as I knew how difficult and expensive an undertaking it was going to be.
And now its here, and it works.

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

Must...not...say it....argh! Damn! I totally agree... :-D

[Rodomoc]

Yeah OK, anytime a new motherboard of any variety is developed and released qualifies as a true accomplishment. And with people buying these new boards up, hopefully the investors come out ahead. So long as the investors are satisfied as well as the customers who bought the thing, life is good. Nobody knocks that. I work in an industry where it is preferred to sell high end because the low end bottom feeding business format sucks.

For me? Well I can go to ebay and pick up a different hardware variation (complete computer system minus monitor) for $200, install a similar operating system on it, say another $150 to get it registered, and have a hootin' good time. Lets say almost half the cost of the lower performing variation of the so called god operating system, and probably 1/5 the cost of the supposed god operating system running on supposed god hardware. And do you know what? My scraps will run surprisingly well in just about any mode of operation. Let freedom ring and ring for the little guy.

[Hammer]

dnetc RC5-72 on AMD HD5750: 725,256,214 keys/s
ca. 100€ => 7+ MKeys/s per EUR

"Fat" AMD Radeon HD GPUs has plenty of stream processors... Anyway, the latest Radeon HD 7970 has 2048 stream processors.

[Iggy]

Yeah OK, anytime a new motherboard of any variety is developed and released qualifies as a true accomplishment. And with people buying these new boards up, hopefully the investors come out ahead. So long as the investors are satisfied as well as the customers who bought the thing, life is good. Nobody knocks that. I work in an industry where it is preferred to sell high end because the low end bottom feeding business format sucks.

For me? Well I can go to ebay and pick up a different hardware variation (complete computer system minus monitor) for $200, install a similar operating system on it, say another $150 to get it registered, and have a hootin' good time. Lets say almost half the cost of the lower performing variation of the so called god operating system, and probably 1/5 the cost of the supposed god operating system running on supposed god hardware. And do you know what? My scraps will run surprisingly well in just about any mode of operation. Let freedom ring and ring for the little guy.

Yeah, I can get behind that.
My Powermac was assembled from low cost parts source on Ebay.
As were many of the parts in my X86 machine.
Phenom II X 4 955 <$70.
HD4870 <$60.
Asrock MB $35.

Both systems fly.

"Fat" AMD Radeon HD GPUs has plenty of stream  processors... Anyway, the latest Radeon HD 7970 has 2048 stream  processors.

Yep, I've been using Radeon HD GPUs since the 2400XT (and my current 4870 is still quite competent), The HD 7970 is a monster.

[Hammer]

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

I agree with congratulating Trevor on the X1000 project.

[dammy]

I agree with congratulating Trevor on the X1000 project.

DItto.  I'm sure it was a annoying as hell project with the delays he encountered.

[klx300r]

...Acube for sure deserve a credit. They never hold the truth, they open, they fix their board if something going wrong, they write a drivers and release it without waiting for os updates, that all point to them as to adequate persons. Sadly we can't say the same about everything in amiga world

+1, the Sam/A1-500 boards, have had awesome support from day 1 and have been qetting quicker and more reliable with each update or patch from m3x/acube.  This is why these first initial tests are basically meaningless as the software/drivers providing the correct optimization for the new CPU/hardware isnt up to speed yet.

 I must admit I still enjoy them because it shows the improvements made over time, heck when I bought my Samflex 2 years ago up until the time I sold it (about 6 monhs ago) I noticed some benchmarks and general speed of the system improving by up to 35%:)

[takemehomegrandma]

Treavor DOES deserve congratulations. He succeeded against amazing odds.
So what if its expensive?
Don't like the price? Buy an Acube board or a Mac.
No one's forcing you into this.
The naysayers ought to be ashamed.
This is not a negative, its an accomplishment.

While I understand what you are really saying, this is exactly the mind-set that, when it becomes the norm of a the population, will make sure that an eventual "X2000" announced this year (if such is even remotely conceivable, which it probably isn't) will cost $4,000 or more, come out in 2014 or later, offering some 2009 level performance (provided that PPC is even able to provide something that can deliver some 2009 level performance), instead of making a go for the powerful but cheap mainstream options that's already here! Cheap, powerful HW and a platform growth to come with that, will *never* become an alternative now! That's how things goes in OS4 land, you have been going in the wrong direction since Sam440, it continued some more with Sam460, and now X1000. You will continue down that road, there is no turning back.

Of course Trevor Dickinson's accomplishments is worthy some applauds in the way that he struggled against all odds, etc. But the result is taking the OS4 platform one more step down the wrong road. For this reason, a system like the X1000 shouldn't have happened, it should have been cancelled. What he did was putting a giant meatball in the central square of Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa, out of reach for practically everyone starving for meatballs but some except few, while the rest of the people would need and want a powerful system to run the OS4 now can't do that. It's out of reach, so some of them leaves, move on. The applauds, the cheering that this is the way to go, will only make sure that even fewer people will get access to any follow-ups to this, because the trend has been to always be bigger, faster, and more expensive; Sam440, Sam460, X1000.

But this suits me fine, actually. Things are the way they are; OS4 is HW oriented, MorphOS is SW/OS oriented. I like this, it's good for MorphOS!

[Tripitaka]

It will be interesting to see how much the X1000 speeds up over the next few years with tweaks and optimization. Graphics drivers and dual core support would both make a huge difference of course, I look forward to it....

...not to forget that we should have Natami to play with too (fingers crossed). Plenty of choice for all.

[Tripitaka]

instead of making a go for the powerful but cheap mainstream options that's already here! Cheap, powerful HW and a platform growth to come with that

I doubt that would work anyway. Let's face it, the Apple comeback was not due to going x86, it was due to iphones and ipods. That was about style and marketing savvy more than anything else as we all well know.

[amigadave]

While I understand what you are really saying, this is exactly the mind-set that, when it becomes the norm of a the population, will make sure that an eventual "X2000" announced this year (if such is even remotely conceivable, which it probably isn't) will cost $4,000 or more, come out in 2014 or later, offering some 2009 level performance (provided that PPC is even able to provide something that can deliver some 2009 level performance), instead of making a go for the powerful but cheap mainstream options that's already here! Cheap, powerful HW and a platform growth to come with that, will *never* become an alternative now! That's how things goes in OS4 land, you have been going in the wrong direction since Sam440, it continued some more with Sam460, and now X1000. You will continue down that road, there is no turning back.

Of course Trevor Dickinson's accomplishments is worthy some applauds in the way that he struggled against all odds, etc. But the result is taking the OS4 platform one more step down the wrong road. For this reason, a system like the X1000 shouldn't have happened, it should have been cancelled. What he did was putting a giant meatball in the central square of Ethiopia's capital Addis Ababa, out of reach for practically everyone starving for meatballs but some except few, while the rest of the people would need and want a powerful system to run the OS4 now can't do that. It's out of reach, so some of them leaves, move on. The applauds, the cheering that this is the way to go, will only make sure that even fewer people will get access to any follow-ups to this, because the trend has been to always be bigger, faster, and more expensive; Sam440, Sam460, X1000.

But this suits me fine, actually. Things are the way they are; OS4 is HW oriented, MorphOS is SW/OS oriented. I like this, it's good for MorphOS!

Congratulations on learning how to express your views without rude and inflamatory remarks, or sarcasm added in with them.  They are much more effective at getting your point across than most of your previous posts have been.

I agree that OS4 & MorphOS should be ported to the cheapest and highest performing, readily available PPC hardware.  Be that existing, or something that can be produced new.  New products will likely not fit this description, because they will most likely be produced in very small quantities and the cost of parts purchased in such small quantities is always higher than parts bought in the hundreds of thousands, or millions of parts.  Also, you have to pay for design engineering and testing of any new product, where someone else has already paid for that in any existing product, still in production, or used products.

Right now, it appears that the Apple G5 computers are the most logical choice for the highest performing, cheapest and most readily available PPC computers that OS4 & MorphOS could be ported to.  It is yet to be seen if either team will decide to complete work to port OS4, or MorphOS to any G5 models.  I hope that both teams choose this path, as my dual 2.7GHz G5 is working just fine running MacOSX & Linux and has replaced my quad core 3.0GHz Core2Quad Extreme Windows computer, as my favorite desktop of choice, while I wait and hope that one or both PPC Amiga-Like OSes make the right choice to support it while they are waiting for some better hardware to come along, or while they work on moving their PPC OS to x86 and/or ARM.

In the mean time I will enjoy using my X1000 and my Dual 1.42GHz G4 PowerMac to run OS4.1.5 and MorphOS2.7 and not worry about what either team is going to do, as nothing I do or say will make any difference in what decisions get made.

@cgutjahr,

If you are going to make logical arguments to back up your questions, it is just going to kill off all discussion in this thread. ;-)