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Re: AmigaOS 4.1 Update 5 CD for the AmigaONE X1000 "First Contact" system has gone GO
« Reply #104 from previous page: January 29, 2012, 02:00:54 PM »
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I would never ever sign an nda which threatens with getting shot...



Get a life. It was meant in jest.

Sheesh these anti-OS people pick up on any bit of triviality they can.

I am going back to civilised forums like AWN and Amigans. This one is really a waste of time, all the news is for machines 20 years out of date that should have been scrapped long ago like OS3.x and 68K software.

The only time there is any news of interest on this backward looking RETRO site, all the scum creep out of the woodwork.
 

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What a joke. It looks like CUSA cr*p to me.

Its like buying a McDonalds burger and calling it steak.

Whatever trademarks CUSA have, what they manufacture are NOT Amigas in the slightest.


Interesting they seem to change the "design" of their new Amiga range every week, I guess they are spoilt for choice, so many generic PC cases to choose from, and endless possibilities were to place the stickers!
 

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Wise men don't piss on the past while praising the future, Bill.  There is room for everyone without wiggling a finger towards people "stuck in the past", but let's not blind people of shortcomings in each solution.

A.org is a ragtag crew of misfits, drunks, perverts and weirdos.  I couldn't have picked a better place to call home.  The one thing we can all agree on is we love the Amiga, regardless of what incarnation one chooses.

Some are strictly 68k folks.  Some preach MOS like it is Jesus Risen.  Some people are fawning all over themselves about OS4, AROS, FPGA, Natami, Emulation, the list goes on.

If you enjoy it, whatever you use - Godspeed.  Room for everyone.  I'll say the same to the guy that's monkeying around with an old C64, making it do Twitter, or the Atari dude still using a ST for MIDI in a world of ProTools.  

It's easy to compute now.  Computers are like using a toaster.  The Amiga, she's got personality.  You don't keep these bastards running unless you know what you are doing.

The 68K guys get giggles out of the fact us PPC miggy users have issues with old software.  I get giggles out of the fact they are patching together old 1200's with accels that haven't been made for years and etc.
No animosity, we're on the same boat in the end.
 

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Wise men don't piss on the past while praising the future, Bill.  There is room for everyone without wiggling a finger towards people "stuck in the past", but let's not blind people of shortcomings in each solution.

A.org is a ragtag crew of misfits, drunks, perverts and weirdos.  I couldn't have picked a better place to call home.  The one thing we can all agree on is we love the Amiga, regardless of what incarnation one chooses.

Some are strictly 68k folks.  Some preach MOS like it is Jesus Risen.  Some people are fawning all over themselves about OS4, AROS, FPGA, Natami, Emulation, the list goes on.

If you enjoy it, whatever you use - Godspeed.  Room for everyone.  I'll say the same to the guy that's monkeying around with an old C64, making it do Twitter, or the Atari dude still using a ST for MIDI in a world of ProTools.  

It's easy to compute now.  Computers are like using a toaster.  The Amiga, she's got personality.  You don't keep these bastards running unless you know what you are doing.

The 68K guys get giggles out of the fact us PPC miggy users have issues with old software.  I get giggles out of the fact they are patching together old 1200's with accels that haven't been made for years and etc.
No animosity, we're on the same boat in the end.

hehehehhe, that sentence above is amazing :lol::lol::lol::lol:

I just get giggles, giddy all over and have my hair on the back of my head standing with a great smirk on my face watching my Amiga 1200 (classic) able to watch movies in high fps frame rate 25, with great quality sound and colors, and still be chatting on IRC and programming on it at the same time. This is the biggest dream I could ever achieve.

My ultimate golden goal is be able to do that, chat on IRC, program, play games on workbench (as she is playing movie in workbench screen again here) and browse in the internet and view 90% of the websites online...if my Amiga 1200 classic could DO all of that....then...I would say she is the main computer for all my daily work...as this is exactly what I use my PC for!! Games? Serious games? xBox 360. This is what I use my xBox 360 for!!!

This way i can finally do computing without the agony of having to deal with my PC viruses on viewing website, website flooding my PC with adware and spyware and worry someone out there is going to infect my Amiga with some horrible force or hack it.....the security measure would flood up the roof. NOW THAT IS MY GOLDEN GOAL OF ALL GOALS!!!

Am I dreaming only?
 

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Quote from: Duce;678095
Your statement that any web browser on OS4 these days is "perfectly good and capable" is nonsense, sorry.

I cannot even check my Gmail on my SAM with modern OS4 web browsers without them locking up entirely, leaving me grabbing for my bloody iPad.  This is fact.  Period.  I cannot do what I can on my 3 year old iphone 3 on this "modern web browser" machine. The thing can't even do GMail/Google services reliably.

I'm a big fan of OS4, a real big fan - but let's not start spreading the horse****e so thin it's transparent.  I've often advocated people looking into OS4 machines, but never under the guise it'll be a "daily driver" machine.  It's nowhere near there.

Erm, something tells me that perhaps the problem isn't specifically down OS4 or it's port of OWB.

As you can see, it works just fine here. I'm posting the screenshot from it now. And that's from an A1XE, which everybody knows are far and away the flakiest machines...


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Erm, something tells me that perhaps the problem isn't specifically down OS4 or it's port of OWB.

As you can see, it works just fine here. I'm posting the screenshot from it now. And that's from an A1XE, which everybody knows are far and away the flakiest machines...


"in the world"



I want to buy AMIGA X1000 NOW!!! TO be ABLE to do my online banking and gmailing and other online stuff in Amiga OS....* whistles hard *
 

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Just relating my experience with OS4 browsers - YMMV.

While GMail itself occasionally works on the machine, most of the other google services (docs, etc. - which I rely on for business) rarely do with OWB.  It's just terribly inconsistent, sometimes things work, sometimes the entire machine locks up.

I'm running a bone stock SAM 440ep with 4.1 with latest update, nothing installed except for said browsers.

That being said, I didn't buy the machine to use as a PC replacement daily driver, so I do enjoy it for what it is a great deal.
 

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Just relating my experience with OS4 browsers - YMMV


Perhaps, but you stated it in a manner when replying to the guy that made it seem as if it was a universal truth and not just your experience.

As you can see, no problems using google docs here. Whilst it's not the snappiest experience I've ever had (chrome's v8 javascript engine spoils you), it's still perfectly usable.
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Perhaps, but you stated it in a manner when replying to the guy that made it seem as if it was a universal truth and not just your experience.

As you can see, no problems using google docs here. Whilst it's not the snappiest experience I've ever had (chrome's v8 javascript engine spoils you), it's still perfectly usable.

in fairness to the poster who had difficulties with his SAM, i think i understand the issue.  if you use MUIOWB -- the port from MorphOS -- loading Gmail on my SAM is perfectly fine.  a little slow on the initial load (a good five seconds), but otherwise fine.  if you use joerg's OWB -- the reaction-based one -- it is unbearably slow.

of course using the 'standard HTML' front-end in either browser is fine as well. :)

nonetheless he's certainly correct that, back in 2009 or so, using Gmail on a SAM would have been a brutal experience if you used the full 'sunday roast' version.  of course on an X1000 i noticed zero performance issues at amiwest on steve solie's machine when logging on briefly to Gmail.  in fact the performance of the google apps in general was astounding in comparison with my SAM.

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@eliyahu

Context is everything. The Sam440ep is a significant step down in performance from an 800MHz G4 based A1, which in turn is, in all likelihood an equally significant step down from one core of the PA6T.

To say that OS4 on the 440 is a bit too underpowered to run google docs is probably a fair comment. These applications are very Javascript heavy and modern browser implementations on other systems have much better JS runtimes than anything in Amigaland. To say that OS4 with "a modern browser" is incapable of running these services with any reliability at all, however, is not.
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All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands.  I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time.  I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4.  Lovely systems to use for fun, but you simply are not going to use one for your daily driver system unless your internet/browsing demands are at the level of 3-4 years ago.  Was merely trying to illustrate the fact the problem with OS4 is software availability, and whether the machine be a SAM 440ep base model or a tricked out X1000, you're still in the same position when the SW choices simply are not modern.  I didn't buy the thing as a "main PC", so obviously I am not too jerked up that I can't use it for everything that I use my i7 Win 7 PC for, net wise.

X1000, SAM 460, or SAM 440, you're still running the same OS.  It's not a matter of the programs running slow - it's a matter of them not working at all in some cases with the browsers, or otherwise not running well enough on some websites to even use.  I'm well aware that I should not expect a 667 mhz machine to run as speedy as a X1000, but it's simply not a matter of clockspeed and HW resources.  I don't expect my Pentium 200 that is currently functioning as a doorstop to browse as fast as my 4.1 ghz daily driver, but it'll get the job done in a pinch, albeit slow since both are Windows PC's.

If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol.  Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.
 

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AmigaOne X1000 First Contact support forum opens:

http://forum.hyperion-entertainment.biz/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=822

Pre-emptive strike: And no, it's not secretely closed to viewing and I apologize for even having to say this, but I do...

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All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands.  I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time.  I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4.  Lovely systems to use for fun, but you simply are not going to use one for your daily driver system unless your internet/browsing demands are at the level of 3-4 years ago.  Was merely trying to illustrate the fact the problem with OS4 is software availability, and whether the machine be a SAM 440ep base model or a tricked out X1000, you're still in the same position when the SW choices simply are not modern.  I didn't buy the thing as a "main PC", so obviously I am not too jerked up that I can't use it for everything that I use my i7 Win 7 PC for, net wise.

X1000, SAM 460, or SAM 440, you're still running the same OS.  It's not a matter of the programs running slow - it's a matter of them not working at all in some cases with the browsers, or otherwise not running well enough on some websites to even use.  I'm well aware that I should not expect a 667 mhz machine to run as speedy as a X1000, but it's simply not a matter of clockspeed and HW resources.  I don't expect my Pentium 200 that is currently functioning as a doorstop to browse as fast as my 4.1 ghz daily driver, but it'll get the job done in a pinch, albeit slow since both are Windows PC's.

If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol.  Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.

gotta disagree on the browser front, there. i use MUIOWB every day and i've yet to encounter a site it can't render correctly.  it's no i7, but the SAM works just fine for me.  where are you located physically? are there other amigans or a user group that can check things out for you? you shouldn't have this experience.

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Quote from: Duce;678131
All I stated is that the browsers for OS 4.1 have issues with modern web demands.  I try and use such sites, the system locks up entirely 95% of the time.  I could give you a list the length of your arm of sites that simply do not work with the browsers available for OS 4.


Well, anything using flash or HTML5 media is presently out of the question, sure. The former is probably going to stay that way, but with any luck, support for the latter will come. Fab's excellent OWB for MorphOS has supported it for some time already, one can hope that those features will find their way into the OS4 port eventually.

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If I have missed a step in how these browsers perform optimally (or work on a wider variety of sites), or if they require additional packages to work properly, I've missed mention of them in any docs, and I assure you I've looked 1000 times, lol.  Fresh install of OS, fresh install of browser, same thing.


I don't know. Which browser are you using, for starters?
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