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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2012, 12:16:04 PM »
Quote from: runequester;677668
i gave up on replacing destroyed cd's with downloaded versions. Nowadays i try to find indie music or i'll just listen to the song on youtube (until they shut that down too).


I just have to ask - what do you do to your CDs that means it's a routine thing for them to be destroyed and have to have to replace them with downloaded content. As they say, maybe "you're doing it wrong!" ;)

I always bought - and continue to buy - CDs of music I like, and CDs I bought 17 years ago still work perfectly. I know the artist doesn't get very much from the sale, but I like to have proper media anyway. Wherever possible I do buy the CD directly from the artist. It happens at a lot of indie gigs, you head up to the stage afterwards and ask them (or their roadies if they're lucky) and most of the time they'll have a few with them. I happily give them the €10 or €20 they ask, and leave with that warm fuzzy feeling from knowing that they're actually getting the money... Well, from that and beer ;)
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2012, 12:22:16 PM »
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Having spent 10 years in the music industry as an artist, I can tell you this...
 
Artists don't make much money from record sales, record companies do.
 
Record companies HATED cd's. They hate mp3's even more. All the power they once had is slowly eroding away, yet some of them still pump millions into promoting garbage to the masses.
 
Some large companies still do to a large extent control what people hear, and listen to the **** they try and pump into your head, its total garbage. I agree with a previous poster, I just listen to indie stuff mostly these days.
 
Previous to my time in the industry, I always bought cd's from artists I wanted to support, but little did I know those artists saw pennies from my purchases, if they were lucky.
 
At one point my "band" had cd's, t shirts, music videos, posters, the works.
What did I get? I got to live on a tour bus for years traveling all over the country doing concerts for next to nothing,while a record company was selling that stuff and making excuses for where all the money went. At the end of the contracts I quit, I barely ever saw a dime from all that.
 
Is my story unique? No way. I know hundreds of stories just like mine.
 
So don't for a second think your stealing from an "artist" if you download mp3's... Your stealing from the dirtballs ripping off that artist, period.
 
If you want to support an artist, buy stuff from their website, or from artists who sell their own mp3's or cds.

 
I couldn't ****ing agree more. I tend to buy most of my music from indie labels too these days. I still dont condone piracy but this is the reason why bands like radiohead are releasing music themselves these days.
 
Unless your Metallica and get several dollars a cd sold from the record company the only way to make music as an artist is to tour.
 
There are quite a lot of artists that believe we need to take the power away from these record companies, give away all music for free and go to gigs.
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2012, 01:11:52 PM »
Quote from: runequester;677668
Without piracy, ****ty music wouldn't spread as much :D

i gave up on replacing destroyed cd's with downloaded versions. Nowadays i try to find indie music or i'll just listen to the song on youtube (until they shut that down too).

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I salute you both. Sadly the reality is (as haywirepc has mentioned) that the record companies make all the cash, not the artists. I only pay artists directly. It's not too difficult for me as the bands I like all have websites that I can buy directly from.... ..for now.

One of the complaints about SOPA and PIPA was that the extra cost of maintaining a website so that is doesn't breach the proposed regulations is that it would make direct sale products more expensive (even amazon complained on these grounds). Not so surprising that the big record companies backed it then, they don't like direct sales by artists one little bit. Your supposed to like what they say you like and buy what they say to buy, behave like a good little consumer unit. It all makes me sick, some people have a great deal of animosity for the pirates but the biggest thieves around are running governments and banks. let's not forget that.
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2012, 01:15:18 PM »
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I just have to ask - what do you do to your CDs that means it's a routine thing for them to be destroyed and have to have to replace them with downloaded content. As they say, maybe "you're doing it wrong!" ;)


I'll blame my wife for this one, actually ;)

Our collection of CD's was in the car and she wasn't good about not having them slide around the floor or whatever
 

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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2012, 01:41:57 PM »
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So don't for a second think your stealing from an "artist" if you download mp3's... Your stealing from the dirtballs ripping off that artist, period.

If you want to support an artist, buy stuff from their website, or from artists who sell their own mp3's or cds.
This is what I've heard from several different sources, and I can't say I'm surprised. It's why I do buy directly when I can (and the only other stuff I buy is vinyl, so the majority of it's bought used, anyway.) Mostly my problem is that hardly anyone makes the kind of music I really love anymore... (classic progressive rock, and no, prog-metal is fine but it's not at all the same thing...)
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2012, 02:01:08 PM »
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Does Aminet have capacity issues like that?

No. For anything (significantly) bigger than 100 MB we'd like to get a short notice upfront, but there are no actual problems hosting big files.
 

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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2012, 02:48:39 PM »
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No. For anything (significantly) bigger than 100 MB we'd like to get a short notice upfront, but there are no actual problems hosting big files.


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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2012, 03:25:56 PM »
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I'll blame my wife for this one, actually ;)

Our collection of CD's was in the car and she wasn't good about not having them slide around the floor or whatever


Ouch :( Yeah, my sister does the same thing...
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2012, 03:29:54 PM »
Quote from: runequester;677719
I'll blame my wife for this one, actually ;)

Our collection of CD's was in the car and she wasn't good about not having them slide around the floor or whatever


Snap!  Glad to see that it isn't just my wife who has issues with replacing CDs into their cases.
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2012, 04:59:25 PM »
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Unless your Metallica and get several dollars a cd sold from the record company the only way to make music as an artist is to tour.


Metallica doesn't get that much.

The Grateful Dead was one of the most financially successful bands of all time and they encouraged people to record and trade their live shows, because they knew they would make more money from touring than from record sales.
 

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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2012, 05:21:56 PM »
Quote from: haywirepc;677703
Having spent 10 years in the music industry as an artist, I can tell you this...

Artists don't make much money from record sales, record companies do.

Record companies HATED cd's. They hate mp3's even more.


Why did they hate CD's? Wouldn't the manufacturing costs of those be less than LP's and cassette tapes?
 

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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #40 on: January 27, 2012, 06:58:26 PM »
I've always admired Chuck D of Public Enemy for the things he's done since his group broke away from the record company that once chained them and put tape over their mouth.

Going Independent or working with an Indy Label brings about freedom that a record company will not give you, plus it gives you a much better cut as well.

The trick though is that the Indy label you are working with has to have money to get you out on the road and touring, or if you are going without a record company you have to fund the touring your self, and know your own connections to get booked and what not.

Thankfully, with the current freedom of the internet, bands are able to spread awareness of their existence without going through all the usual networks as before. Granted one never makes much money through MP3/Flac/CD/Tape/ or Record sales, but the internet does at least allow people to get their stuff heard which in turn raises the chances that there will be a decent turn out when they do a live performance.

Though again as I said, touring has to be paid by the band itself or by the Indy label they are on. For this to happen, people got to work REAL JOBS and raise that money. Hardly anything in life aside of Life itself comes for free, so in the indy world, there is no opportunity to kick off your heels and slide under the boss' desk for a quick promotion. You  gotta work hard, you got to develop your talent, and you got to make people hungry for more, without the aid of quick advert enticing promotions.

As for the touring itself, as Chuck D said, doing local tours is dead, they say the best way to make your money is to tour internationally as their seems to be a larger market for musical diversity and depth of lyrics across seas than there is here in America (we seem to flock towards empty fluff for some reason). So all in all, if someone wants to play musick for a living, they are going to have to work hard with or without the record company, but the upside of doing it without is that you get a larger cut of the pay (if not all minus expenses), and you do not have to worry about being censored, or having your own work stolen from you by the company itself, claiming it is their property and their work to be sold and used how they please...

Sort of like how ABC (or was it NBC) has the rights to Dr. Martin Luther King's speeches, for which reason we never see them played in full, because they have now become intellectual property. :/

No doubt, that's why the Prez never fully quotes King during Martin Luther King Day.

When information is owned, it can be more easily (legally) concealed.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2012, 07:01:48 PM by XDelusion »
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2012, 07:26:02 PM »
Also the record industry tends to convert all shared mp3s are lost sales.  In reality there are kids who have 100's of GB of music in their iTunes and never listen to most of it.  They just feel cool having it.  If you really feel guilty about pirated music in your collection just join Apple's cloud service, they'll legitimise your entire collection for US$25...
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2012, 07:39:03 PM »
Heh, ya that's the other thing about the general nature of piracy...

People tend to be more about their collection than actually enjoying what they've got...

Always in the pursuit of more and more and more.

On the otherhand, those who do not have a touch of collector's obsessive compulsive disorder generally just buy the few albums, movies, or apps that they do use and have time for.

About a year ago a branch of the US government did a study on this, and like Sega of the Dreamcast era, deemed piracy to be less a threat and more along the lines of free promotion and publicity. In fact I've heard up and coming musicians thank pirates time and time again for making their work known.
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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2012, 09:49:30 PM »
"Why did they hate CD's? Wouldn't the manufacturing costs of those be less than LP's and cassette tapes?"

Not especially cheaper than cassettes, and cd's provided a very easy means of making a perfect 1:1 copy, whereas tapes degrade in quality with each dub...

Digital copies are always the same as the original. I heard several record company guys tell me they liked tapes better because some people would copy a tape from a friend, but if they really liked the record they'd still buy a copy to get the better quality... but with cd copies its perfectly the same quality as the original so why still buy a copy?

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Re: A reminder about filesharing sites
« Reply #44 from previous page: January 27, 2012, 10:20:43 PM »
Cd's were supposed to be impossible for consumers to copy. Cheap cd burners and the mp3 shattered all control the industry had