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Re: SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty
« Reply #14 from previous page: January 09, 2012, 09:06:59 PM »
I'm sure djnick can provide some nice UI elements for OS4 users.

I don't think this will increase the interest in OS4 itself though. I don't see many posts from colorblind people on the forums saying "I would use OS4 if only it were high contrast..." for example.
 

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Re: SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2012, 09:40:01 PM »
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My choice of profession has no relevance here. AOS 4 has no pressing need for wall papers, icon sets and other superfluous crap. It does however need a lot of work in the software department. The main complaints I hear over and over again are about drivers and applications. I don't think that pointing out that AOS 4 has needs to be met that are far more important than window dressing and you tube demonstrations is taking "sh1t" about some one getting a machine. I simply see it as inefficient, wasted resource allocation. I know you want to try and steer thin into "koaftder is talking crap about djnick getting a machine", and I think that's cheap and missing the point. I dropped my first comment when the bounty was half met.


Your choice of profession is ENTIRELY relevant here. You're a software developer. If you hear people complaining about a lack of apps and drivers, then start coding and porting them. It's not rocket science. It's your opinion to see DJNick getting a machine donated for the purpose of creating new icons and art for OS4 as and I'm quoting you verbatim in toto here, "as inefficient, wasted resource allocation", but my comments have nothing to do with him getting a machine, but about your comments.

You belittled people who choose to do art. Being a graphic designer isn't easy. You spend years practicing to draw, sculpt, paint, etc. Sure there are a lot of "hobbyists" that do art in their spare time and many of them aren't worth their weight in salt, but need I remind you of Windows Millennium? There are *EQUALLY* as many "dime a dozen" coders out there for every "talented coder". Your comments about artist's work being "crap" is rude, trite and insulting.

You make a comment about your artists blowing deadlines, having crap work, etc., but perhaps it's because of what they were PAID! I don't work for free and I don't take jobs that aren't worth my time, ESPECIALLY when the pay isn't worth it. I have friends who are coders that have to take jobs they don't want to do, 'cos our economy sucks. Plain and simple. Does that make them crappy coders? I think not....

You are entitled to your own opinions, but the people that chose to donate money to a guy who offered up new art for OS4 made their decisions and that's the end of it. A PROFESSIONAL artist takes PRIDE in their work. You insulted *ME*, 'cos you lumped all artists together as 2nd-rate charlatans who just try to steal people's money and give nothing in return, but sub-par work.

Once again, I reiterate that if there's such a need for new apps and drivers, since you're a software developer, start doing it.

Or are you just one of those "dime a dozen" software developers.....   :roflmao:
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Re: SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2012, 10:26:31 PM »
There seems to be a lot of resentment in this thread.

A couple of key points to remember:

1) Nobody in OS4's seekrit HQ said "What we need right now is an artist! Quick, to the bountymobile!", rather someone wanting to provide some artistic input asked and a bounty was set up. So comments about wasting money supporting an artist instead of a developer is a bit irrelevant. No developer (as far as I know anyway) has come forward in the same manner. One would hope that if they did, people would be just as willing to pay for them to get a system.

2) It was a bounty. Absolutely nobody was under any obligation to pay into it. Ergo, the only people that did were those happy to do so. It's a fair bet that those complaining the loudest about it didn't pay into it.


You know what? Fair play to the guy, I hope he enjoys it. Considering that one of the common complaints levelled against the platform is the cost of ownership, perhaps a useful precedent has been set and somebody with some development talent who thought it was financially unrealistic might reconsider and we can all complain about it if they get one in a similar way ;)
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Re: SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2012, 10:34:31 PM »
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Your choice of profession is ENTIRELY relevant here. You're a software developer.

No it's not, I could be a dog catcher, my opinion wouldn't be any different.  

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If you hear people complaining about a lack of apps and drivers, then start coding and porting them.

Why would I do that? I don't work for free.

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It's not rocket science.

Compared to skinning window borders and creating wall papers, it is.

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It's your opinion to see DJNick getting a machine donated for the purpose of creating new icons and art for OS4 as and I'm quoting you verbatim in toto here, "as inefficient, wasted resource allocation", but my comments have nothing to do with him getting a machine, but about your comments.

It is a waste of resource allocation. It will do nothing to make AOS 4 a modern operating system delivering the features users have been complaining about for ages. The only people I ever hear complain about the way it looks are people who don't use AOS 4.

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You belittled people who choose to do art. Being a graphic designer isn't easy. You spend years practicing to draw, sculpt, paint, etc. Sure there are a lot of "hobbyists" that do art in their spare time and many of them aren't worth their weight in salt, but need I remind you of Windows Millennium? There are *EQUALLY* as many "dime a dozen" coders out there for every "talented coder". Your comments about artist's work being "crap" is rude, trite and insulting.

Read further up the thread, I described DJNick's work as "outstanding". Look, I'm a game developer, I do my own models in 3dsMAX, I've sculpted with zbrush and mud box. I've got a pile of machines in here working as vary rendering nodes and doubling as space heaters in my office. While I must admit that I totally suck at rigging, I do have an idea about what artists do in this field and to be honest, it's not as hard as the work I do in software development. And yea, there are a lot of crappy developers out there. Honestly, I'm more scared to hire a programmer than an artist.

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You make a comment about your artists blowing deadlines

They do, constantly, and I don't even ask much of them.

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having crap work, etc.,

A lot of it really is

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but perhaps it's because of what they were PAID!

Nah, they work for what they're willing to work for. I'm not enslaving anyone.

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I don't work for free and I don't take jobs that aren't worth my time, ESPECIALLY when the pay isn't worth it.

Neither would I.

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I have friends who are coders that have to take jobs they don't want to do, 'cos our economy sucks. Plain and simple. Does that make them crappy coders? I think not....

They probably are crappy coders, those are the ones who are unemployed right now.

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You are entitled to your own opinions, but the people that chose to donate money to a guy who offered up new art for OS4 made their decisions and that's the end of it.

I think they wasted their money.

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A PROFESSIONAL artist takes PRIDE in their work.

I should hope so!

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You insulted *ME*, 'cos you lumped all artists together as 2nd-rate charlatans who just try to steal people's money and give nothing in return, but sub-par work.

I never said anything of the sort. Stealing people's money and giving nothing in return but sub-par work? I never said that.

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Once again, I reiterate that if there's such a need for new apps and drivers, since you're a software developer, start doing it.

I don't work for free, and neither do you so I guess we're in agreement about something!

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Or are you just one of those "dime a dozen" software developers.....   :roflmao:

I prefer the term masochist, I mean, just look at the industry I decided to entangle myself in! At least I'm having a good time.

I'm sorry you're so offended at what I said. You of all people, having worked for some big houses and on some 'AAA' titles, should know that graphics guys are a dime a dozen. The labor pool overflowith because everybody want's a piece of that pie because, and lets be honest with ourselves, it's easier, and funner work than grinding code. They're pumping out graphic artists from the colleges like weenies from a sausage factory and none of these kids can find any work!
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Re: SAM460Lite & AmigaOS 4.1 for DjNick Bounty
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2012, 11:28:23 PM »
os4 LOOKS ugly, or looked at least last time ive tried. same goes for aros. and as ive never had an opportunity to see mos in action i dont know but it is difficult to do worse that bot previous.
some time ago ive ended up with doing my own simple theme for afa as i couldnt find anything decent, but then its just my taste. actually i dont think it really matters much. on aros im perfectly happy switching off the decoration on my a4k. pity it doesnt work with icons alike.