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WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« on: January 05, 2012, 11:07:37 PM »
I'm looking for a (preferably new) ARM controller for the minimig v1.1.

I've searched through many a-thread for availability and have no idea who I should contact to purchase of these.

Are there distributors in the US?

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2012, 11:15:09 PM »
Quote from: kamiga;674555
I'm looking for a (preferably new) ARM controller for the minimig v1.1.

I've searched through many a-thread for availability and have no idea who I should contact to purchase of these.

Are there distributors in the US?

Thanks
kamiga

An arm controller is probably worth more than the minimig itself :)

you can try to contact farenheit on minimig.net

that is where i got mine. I'm not sure if he sold them all.
 

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2012, 11:29:40 PM »
Can someone remind me of exactly what the Arm board for the MiniMig gives you above and beyond the regular PIC controller?

If I install 4mb of RAM on my MiniMig v1.1 project (I bought a bare pcb and all the parts) and use the PIC controller instead of trying to find an Arm board for it, what will I be losing?
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2012, 11:47:16 PM »
The ARM controller only speeds up disk access.

The latest 4MB firmware does everything the ARM can except access to the SD card Hard Disk File is slower.

We asked the original creator of the ARM controller if we could manufacture them for sale in our webstore, but unfortunately had no reply.
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 12:00:26 AM »
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Can someone remind me of exactly what the Arm board for the MiniMig gives you above and beyond the regular PIC controller?

If I install 4mb of RAM on my MiniMig v1.1 project (I bought a bare pcb and all the parts) and use the PIC controller instead of trying to find an Arm board for it, what will I be losing?


The ARM controller will allow you to use large HDF files at normal hard drive speeds (The PIC alone struggles with large HDF files - the larger the HDF the slower the response... and I mean a BIG difference here when you're using HDF files in the Gigabyte range).

Also, upgrading the ARM simply means putting the updated file on the SD card and using the onscrean menu to reflash the ARM.  No buggering around with TinyBootloader and serial cables.
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 12:01:21 AM »
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The ARM controller only speeds up disk access.

The latest 4MB firmware does everything the ARM can except access to the SD card Hard Disk File is slower.

We asked the original creator of the ARM controller if we could manufacture them for sale in our webstore, but unfortunately had no reply.


Keep at him.  I know a lot of people keep asking about them and IMHO they're worth the money.
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 12:02:17 AM »
Quote from: amigadave;674558
Can someone remind me of exactly what the Arm board for the MiniMig gives you above and beyond the regular PIC controller?

If I install 4mb of RAM on my MiniMig v1.1 project (I bought a bare pcb and all the parts) and use the PIC controller instead of trying to find an Arm board for it, what will I be losing?

Back in the early days the PIC was limited to fat16, 8 character file names, did not support hard disk files, etc, so the ARM was a substantial upgrade.

it still probably is a nice upgrade for the speed, and I'm glad I have it, but at this point I'd wait for Replay which is Minimig 2.0
 

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 01:43:09 AM »
@darrin: Hello again friend! Who exactly is the "him" in the "keep at him" phrase? Who makes it? Supports it? Created it? A user here? email addr?

@amigakit: fired off a sales email yesterday asking about the ARM and the 4mb service.

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 02:38:21 AM »
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@darrin: Hello again friend! Who exactly is the "him" in the "keep at him" phrase? Who makes it? Supports it? Created it? A user here? email addr?


Hey mate :)

Actually it is 2 people.

The ARM controller was designed by Jakub who is the same chap who is designing the daughterboard for the FPGA Aracde.  He made the sources for the ARM board "open" and then Farenheit made a little production run of them (not sure how many or what they cost as I got my prototype from Jakub back when it was being tested).
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 02:58:40 AM »
Quote from: amigakit;674562
The ARM controller only speeds up disk access.

The latest 4MB firmware does everything the ARM can except access to the SD card Hard Disk File is slower.

We asked the original creator of the ARM controller if we could manufacture them for sale in our webstore, but unfortunately had no reply.

Thanks for the info and I agree, keep asking the creator of the ARM board until you get a reply.

Since I already have a Replay board, I doubt I will spend the extra money to get an ARM board for the MiniMig.
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 12:27:26 PM »
Quote from: amigakit;674562
The ARM controller only speeds up disk access.


This is not true. The disk speed-up isn't the only benefit but it's noticeable. E.g. my 512 MB Workbench partition boots with my ARM controller in 5 seconds (hard disk read speed over 2000 KB/s as reported by SysInfo) and the same process takes 1 minute 45 seconds when a PIC is used (benchmarked read speed 150 KB/s). When a smaller hard file of 20-50 MB is used it becomes usable but the slowdown is still substantial.

The latest PIC firmware has been partially back-ported from ARM sources but due to hardware limitations of the PIC it doesn't support all the features.

The ARM displays the contents of a directory sorted alphabetically with directories displayed above files while the PIC displays mixed directory and file entries in the order of their creation. Moreover with the ARM you can use keyboard shortcuts like PageUp/PageDown/Home/Backspace to quickly scroll through displayed entries and get back to parent directory. It's very convenient to scroll through large collection of files (but it's recommended not to put more than a hundred entries per directory to keep browsing at maximum speed).

As it's known long file names on FAT volumes can be over 250 character long. The ARM scrolls horizontally a name which is longer than 30 characters (and does this smoothly). The PIC only displays first 34 characters of it.

The ARM parses ADF name to display current disk number and total number of disks of a multi disk set. Taking into account the limitations of the PIC and the length of TOSEC collection file names you are very often not able to tell which disk number to select.

The ARM stores configuration in a file on a memory card so you can use different configuration for every card. The PIC stores configuration in its internal EEPROM and can use only one.

Upgrading ARM firmware is very easy because you only need to put a new firmware file on your memory card and invoke the update option from the OSD menu. To update PIC firmware you need a PC with appropriate software and null-modem serial cable.

Current ARM firmware occupies only 20% of its program memory so it's still possible to implement more features (e.g. loading of alternative cores). The PIC has been already filled up.
 

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 12:31:00 PM »
Quote from: kamiga;674555
I'm looking for a (preferably new) ARM controller for the minimig v1.1.


I have one spare (the last one) I can part with. It's brand new, has never been used. Just send me a PM.
 

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 04:00:07 PM »
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Since I already have a Replay board, I doubt I will spend the extra money to get an ARM board for the MiniMig.


I'm looking to buy a replay board too. Sent a message to get on the "list." No reply yet, but hopefully I'm in there some place.

I see the minimig and replay board as different beasts and see room for both for me! :)

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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 04:25:36 PM »
@Yaqube,

You talked me into it.  If someone else hasn't claimed it already, I will buy your last ARM board for the MiniMig.

See your PMail
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Re: WTB: ARM controller for minimig
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 04:56:45 PM »
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@Yaqube,

You talked me into it.  If someone else hasn't claimed it already, I will buy your last ARM board for the MiniMig.

See your PMail


I sent him a PM about an hour or so ago claiming it. :)

Thanks