Commodore trademark has a new daddy

[number6]

I'm a bit confused by the spaghetti mess and what it means. Does this mean that cusa's announcement of owning the commodore brand name and ip is now bull**** like everything else they have announced? Sounds to me like not only is that now bull****, but they may not have the legal right to use the brand name commodore anymore.... See http://www.commodorecorp announcement...http://www.commodorecorp.com/

Maybe dammy their puppet would like to chime in on this?

I believe my post above is accurate. In the event of the change of ownership of the IP and/or licensing rights holder, there would be a grace period to address such a change.

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[haywirepc]

I'm surprised none of the cusa lovers or puppets or they themselves hasn't said anything. I would think losing the rights to use your company name or not would be an awfully important thing that you should address, but then...

I guess they are trying to figure out how to lie they way out of this if it does turn out they lost they name rights. (And the ip announcement was bull**** too)

[J-Golden]

Or maybe they have realized that less antagonistic tactics are better?  I've seen less and less harsh comments coming from the CUSA "camp" so why don't we play in like manor and drop the name calling.

TANKZ!

[SysAdmin]

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[number6]

Thanks for that little summary.  Keep up the good work reporting on this "mess" and try not to go mad understanding it.  

It sounds like a clear case of companies within companies moving money around so that only a few people know where it is and nobody knows when chunks of it go missing.

Posted in the "Massive Announcement" thread from 10 or 11 weeks ago:

There has been a delay obviously.....due to circumstances beyond our control.
Still looking good though.

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I can see where there might be a delay.

C=Holdings B.V. v. Asiarim Corporation et al

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[Tripitaka]

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With all due respect I just have to know. Why do you keep bumping CUSA threads?

[jorkany]

Posted in the "Massive Announcement" thread from 10 or 11 weeks ago:


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I can see where there might be a delay.


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What part of "looking good though" don't you understand??

[number6]

What part of "looking good though" don't you understand??

Heh.
The line that indicates that even the court realizes how complicated this is:

This case is hereby designated for inclusion in the Pilot Project Regarding Case Management Techniques for Complex Civil Cases in the Southern District of New York

description of the pilot program

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[dammy]

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From the cheap seats where I'm at, I don't see the above as the reason for the delay.  But as far as the above link, it is popcorn time at the Roman Coliseum.  Better find a seat in a hurry, looks like the lions have just been released.

[number6]

From the cheap seats where I'm at, I don't see the above as the reason for the delay.  But as far as the above link, it is popcorn time at the Roman Coliseum.  Better find a seat in a hurry, looks like the lions have just been released.

Lawsuit filing posted

For those curious, CUSA status is mentioned in several places directly and once "implied", imo.

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[gertsy]

The fought over bones and scraps of what C= and Amiga were are fossils now.  I guess the rumor of what they were is percieved as a ticket to make unprofitable high volume low quality technology product a viable business concern.  Regardless of whether the best interests of the name are in mind or not if the profits are not realised (wich is highly likely) the owners will eventually turn to cutting their losses by closing access to what they own and can make profit from.  Those who now share the C= and Amiga arena look out.  
Conceptually in 3 years time I might be a member of "JayMinersMachine.org" instead of "Amiga.org" or alternatively having to pay $99pa to remain a member of Aorg.....

[Duce]

Most depressing thing about this whole mess is none of it is surprising in the least.

I can't think of a time when the whole Commodore/Amiga show wasn't an unmitigated gong show.  Seems it's always been like watching a wreck in progress, lol.

[Rodomoc]

The legal Commodore entity and whatever sub-entities that exist are so  legally screwed it is not funny. It is too bad for the Florida people  that probably thought everything was cool when they got established.  Commodore is cursed, it always will be. That is all there is to it. I say this as a neutral  party - I am no CUSA fan-boy or anything. I'm an original 8 bit burnout from the PET days  so Commodore to me will always be this golden era. I do not even count  Amiga higher than PET in the grand scheme of things. To me Amiga was a  latter acquisition of curious nature. Each to their own however. Many  people probably are newer and only relate Commodore to Amiga only. So  this whole Commodore trademark thing is all trash. It will never escape  the legal garbage cleanly. One bankruptcy after another. One legal  ownership transfer after another. It is rubbish plain and simple. Amiga  is cursed in the same way, just to a lesser degree. It's all dead folks  and taken over by filthy rats, greedy lesser forms of life plain and simple. All trying to make a buck on something a former generation made great - not them. Bums......

The Florida people may make it out alright somehow. Who knows in reality  though because lawyers, judges, and the entire legal system are all  evil. To hell with Commodore and to hell with Amiga too (in legal  senses). Many people like to be armchair lawyers and Greek debate all of  this garbage. Not me. What we have here is a free for all. A few  spinoff camps that share a common API is what we are left with. Join one  camp, join multiple camps, do whatever you want. Not one bit of it is  Commodore anymore. There are the famous red-blue wars. Screw that too.  The community needs to realize that this is all crapola. Just use  whatever computer you want and have fun with it. None of them will  amount to anything major. But that does not mean we can't make a hobby  out of whatever we choose. For me I have a garage full of original  Commodore garbage. 64's, 128's, 1000's, 500's 2000's 3000's. Out of all  the piles of this sh**, you power up an 8 bit machine in front of me from the golden  era, and I instantly remember scads of poke and peek values. Go figure  because I can hardly remember what I ate yesterday but I can remember a  poke value from 25 years ago.

Commodore is screwed. Hopefully the latest Florida victim comes out of  it in one piece. For me, my name is the phonetic reverse. My theme,  reversing the curse.And if I ever decide to, I will do exactly that.

Cheers.

[mingle]

@Rodomoc,

One of the sanest posts I've read in a long time...

Your post sums up the Amiga 'scene' perfectly; it was good in the day, but is now a nostalgic hobby.

Enjoy the machines for what they are and don't worry about trying to conquer the world - it won't happen.

Mike.

[Hammer]

They are still under the impression they can throw a bunch of workstation components in a case that any other company would charge $4,000 for and by virtue of the Amiga name, slap a $5,000 premium on it because it has the Amiga name on it.  The Amiga name has no value to people using commodity high end workstations, sorry - much less the hysterical thought of said workstation PC's coming with Commodore OS, LOL.  The Toaster days are long gone, sorry.

They can't, much less in a HTPC case like they had mocked up, lol.  I'm not sure if they put much thought into how that HTPC case would become a microwave over with a couple CPU's and Quadro cards in it, not that they would fit anyways.

My Silverstone SG07 Mini-ITX case can support upto 12.2 inch + 400 watts graphics card...


 I'm waiting for my Radeon HD 7950.

Somebody's Silverstone SG07 with NVIDIA Geforce GTX 570.

[Duce]

A mini ITX LAN party type case won't house any workstation grade mobo or workstation gfx card solution, and neither will an off the shelf HTPC case.  Nice build, those pics - but apples and oranges.  Isn't a workstation system around running Mini ITX boards and gamer grade video cards.  I love my LAN gaming rig, but it's insane to say I could throw workstation grade components in that case.

There's a big difference between a lanparty type gamer case like the one pictured, and "workstation spec" builds.  If you find a way to cram a dual Xeon eATX mobo, multiple drives in RAID, 2 power supplies (1 redundant), and a Quadro or two into a consumer grade case like that, I'd be very interested to see the build.  It's like stuffing a marshmallow into a parking meter.  The 570 has that thing crammed right full, and the 570 isn't that big of a card, the 590 (the cards I own) are 2 inches longer and aren't even workstation cards.

You simply are not going to cram a server grade mobo (eATX, quite often) and other commonplace workstation components into a case meant to be portable (gaming PC) or one that is designed to live in the footprint as a DVD player (HTPC) and have it work, lol.  There's not a workstation grade Mini ITX board around.

Can't put 20 pounds of horseplop in a 5 pound bag.  You can't park a '59 Caddy Hearse in the parking spot meant for a Fiat 500.