Is emulation based x86 machines in Amiga cases really a no no? or......

[TheDaddy]

@Thoram

>>What I mean is that I don't see why people have to keep assigning the name Amiga to >>machines which are not Amigas.

Exactly, it's all down to personal experience and after testing a few "Amigas" I personally think that OS4+SAM (X1000 which I haven't tested yet) is the Amiga for me more than any other combinations and as much as Amiga as, dare I say, an A500!


>>My Minimig is an Amiga.
>>No, it's an FPGA computer.

Again you fall in the trap of considering Amigas just the Commodore machines. From my perspective and point of view it's an Amiga. It even has a 68000 cpu!


>>Of course it's not. Just like a Draco isn't an Amiga, but a 680x0 AmigaOs platform. You >>can ask yourself, if you run a 680x0 MacOS on the Amiga, will your Amiga become a Mac?

It depends how you run it. Natively, emulated?

>>Amiga is defined by the hardware, and not the OS. If I run some sort of 680x0 Amiga port of a linux, then the machine is still an Amiga. In fact, it doesn't matter what a computer runs at all, it's still the same hardware.

And who decides that? That is nonsense. So the only machines that can be called an Amiga are the Commodore machines?
So when I speak to someone I have to say "I have a dedicated PPC motherboard configured to run AmigaOS4 which is the natural and spiritual successor of the operating system present on the machines once produced by the now defunct Commodore"? I just say I have a new generation Amiga, because that is what it is.

[bloodline]

Hahahaha! Listen to you lot!!! If it runs the software you need to run what the fcuk does it matter what it's called? :lol:

[Ancalimon]

Because that's what Amigas are: Computers from the past, and some people can't seem to get over that fact, and they have to keep assigning the name Amiga to computers that aren't Amigas.

No. Only the Amigas from Amiga1000 to Amiga4000T are computers from the past and anyone can continue to fix and use them.

An Amiga does not need Custom chipsets to be called an Amiga. I don't want to use "for example Wordworth" at this age either. So dump classic compatibility altogether.

[persia]

I think we have several different questions here.

What is Amiga in 2012?

What would have been Amiga in 2012 if Commodore hadn't gone out of business?

What should carry the Amiga name?

What could the Amiga be in  2022?

For me I love playing with AOS, it reminds me of the days when I first started with computers, the days when your phone, tv and refrigerator weren't part computer.  A large percentage of computer users weren't just users, they were also experimenters and tinkerers.  

Computers nowadays are appliances, the vast majority of users are just users.  Computers entertain but they don't really engage us anymore.   Technology has advanced to the point I can't possibly fathom what's going on inside the computer or all the bits that make it work.  Operating systems go to great lengths to hide that complexity.  

The old Amigas are like flying a b-plane instead of an A380.  On an Amiga bugs get in your teeth, and you are far more likely to crash.  You are going to have to actually control the machine and not trust the levels of software between you and the hardware.  It'll get you there but you are going to feel the journey, every air pocket and downdraft.  The journey will be longer, harder, but the sense of accomplishment at the end will be far greater.

Oh, who am I kidding, just load up the game already....

[psxphill]

What would have been Amiga in 2012 if Commodore hadn't gone out of business?

It's likely that commodore would have come up with a new name by now.
 
If hombre had launched then it would not have been sold as an amiga, it wasn't considered one at all.
 
Windows NT would probably have powered their desktop machines, although they wouldn't have been x86 based as Microsoft were very interested in supporting other cpu's at the time.

[Dazxy2001]

I reckon if Commodore had survived they would of been producing windows boxes anyhow, after all they were already putting out 286 and 386 IBM clones with the PC-50 & PC-60 and lets face it when windows 95 took off it was everywhere and a big money maker for producers of hardware especially when multimedia was the buzzword at the time. So in all likelyhood the Classic Amiga platform would of likely faded away as all its qualities that made it a superior platform in the 80s and 90s made it inferior and non standard as well as overpriced at that time. I do remember during the Escom ownership seeing PCs on sale in Tandy here in Dundee, they also had A1200 Magic Packs but they were sat on a shelf above the sales counter as it was the PCs that everyone was interested in and thats where the money was being made.

[TheDaddy]

Happy Christmas everyone!

[OlafS3]

thank you. You too. And of course for everyone!

[Thorham]

The last Amigas were made by Escom, and apparently there are people who can't accept this, which is not relevant of course. They can believe what ever they want to believe, but it doesn't change what Amigas are.

[Ancalimon]

The last Amigas were made by Escom, and apparently there are people who can't accept this, which is not relevant of course. They can believe what ever they want to believe, but it doesn't change what Amigas are.

And last PC's had 286 cpus with ISA slots for expansions and 640k base memory and run DOS.

[Rodomoc]

Any hardware in any case can be for anyone, anything they want it to be in reality. I have some Amiga cases devoid of hardware. Guess what? Do you honestly expect me to hunt down A2000 parts and bring those cases back from the dead this way? Not for me...

I'll stuff one full of x86 hardware, and run Amithlon and think nothing of it. In fact, when MOS 2.0 came out, I had an Efika board in an A2000 case. This was a funny one because Efika sat up on the drive tray and the entire bottom of the case was totally empty :lol:. I never called either of them original Amiga's so never lost sleep over any of this. I see some really cool case hacks out there. An x86 A1000, or mac mini A1200. It is all quite interesting to see.

Bottom line, people can do whatever they want. Or in the case of companies, do whatever they are legally or otherwise qualified to do (a company called Commodore that happens to have a c64 product that happens to be in a case that looks like a Commodore64 case). I say good for them and good for anybody in whatever it is that they do.

[alex]

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE to open a box with a brand spanking new Amiga A600, with all that fresh new plastic smell, embozzed Amiga logo on the case, crispy new mouse, plug it in and it boots up to Icaros on X86.  m68K is just dumb to try to build a new machine around, PPC is too damn expensive for the only benefit of running AmigaOS 4.1.  PPC is just an ugly dead-end.  x86 is the only affordable option forward, has the most flexibility for reusing the setup, and whatever… Just go x86 even if you have to use uae for backwards stuff.

I would pre-buy that this very moment without a single hesitation if they could get that price under $700, had a cool app store-like deal where I can go software for free or purchase.  Make the ecosystem.  One website to buy my thing, buy some add-ons, and get my software in electronic download form.  Don't make me have to order a cardboard box to come in my mailbox with a shiney disk that I'm then forced to load via a stupid CD-rom drive that I ALSO have to buy and setup.  That's hyper stupid in 2012.  This also makes it super easy for hobby developers to make cool apps for sale without having to worry about HOW to market, press, and distribute it.  Like Aminet, but people can get paid.

I would like a HD option, but the base could easily be Compact Flash-based with two slots on the back.  I would want to be able to simply plug in a CF card with any OS I wanted for the moment and rock out.  Add USB ports in the back, stereo sound, and DVI or VGA out.  Sell optional external floppy drives, CD-ROMs, etc, just keep that heavy and power-loving crap out of the case itself.  Then if possible integrate the power in the case and I'm happy as a pig in poop.

I would buy this now!

-Alex

[commodorejohn]

had a cool app store-like deal where I can go software for free or purchase.

Your app store.

[Thorham]

And last PC's had 286 cpus with ISA slots for expansions and 640k base memory and run DOS.

PC just means Personal Computer, and they never stopped making those Oh, wait, you mean IBM Compatibles? Yeah, they stopped making those, right :lol:

And I really don't care anymore. If people want to call everything Amiga, then it's their good right, and seeing how stubborn they are I'm going to stop RIGHT HERE

[Amiga_Nut]

No. Only the Amigas from Amiga1000 to Amiga4000T are computers from the past and anyone can continue to fix and use them.

An Amiga does not need Custom chipsets to be called an Amiga. I don't want to use "for example Wordworth" at this age either. So dump classic compatibility altogether.

This is an interesting point, if we dump all the historic applications and games for Amiga what are we left with? Sure I agree new stuff like a decent web browser on the level of Chrome is way off for OS4/MoS but if it has nothing to do with the past and only emulates what makes an Amiga an Amiga then why should it be allowed to be called Amiga Next Gen when my PC does all that via Windows except run MoS or OS4 (both of which are nothing special at all).

These Amiga Next Gen systems have less sophisticated custom silicon in them than my two PCs and also run slower. I remember the Amiga being faster and cheaper than PC/Mac thanks to unique design....not slower and more expensive.

[danwood]

none of the Amiga cases was as iconic as the original C64. So I think there is not as much value in giving us "just the case".

I think the A500 is as iconic/recognisable.