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I just bought this.....
« on: December 07, 2011, 08:37:37 PM »
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130611973137?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2454wt_1189

Apollo 1240 @ 25Mhz. It is untested, my risk. Am waiting for it to arrive.

If you look at the pics, is that what looks like residue anything to worry about?

Is it easy to add an extras simm slot and overclock to 40 or 50 Mhz without damaging it?

Will i see a huge improvement over my current M-tec 1230 @ 40Mhz with 8Mb ?

I will be installing this in my A1200 desktop.
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2011, 08:58:29 PM »
Quote from: dougal;670691
Will i see a huge improvement over my current M-tec 1230 @ 40Mhz with 8Mb ?
Yes, according to Sysinfo it should be a bit more than twice as fast.
 

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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2011, 09:02:44 PM »
I have one of these. They feel more than twice as fast as an 030 50MHz. If you are using mainly math operations they fly. Strange the residue is on the processor pins. If it was the battery then I would maybe worry but these were sold new as recently as 2002 I think. It runs at 28MHz (half of 56MHz). I don't know the difference between these 28MHz ones and the ones that sold for a bit more with a higher clock.
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2011, 02:31:06 PM »
Great that it is more than twice as fast besides that this is PCMCIA friendly and goes up to 32MB unmodified as opposed to my 030 Mtec with 8MB and PCMCIA unfriendly. :)

Now i hope this card works.

So is the second simm easy to install? My soldering skills are far from perfect.

I am using an A500 standard PSU with my A1200. Is that sufficient for the Apollo or will i have to use some sort of ATX PSU modded for the Amiga?
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2011, 06:59:15 PM »
hey dougal, i saw that on ebay, don't worry i wasn't bidding against you! It seems fairly costly for what it is.
 
I hope the seller was sincere with their claims.
 
What's the advantage of the 68040 compared to 68030? I'm guessing 68040 is better with maths intensive operations, but i thought 68030 gave optimum compatability with WHDLoad?
 

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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2011, 08:44:26 PM »
The Apollo 1240 is a pretty decent acclerator, I used one in my A1200T for a while, well until it died :(  (Due to Battery leakage)

I wouldn't have paid so much for one that was not tested/working (as you could buy for £140-160 known working but fingers crossed, lets hope it works fine.

Anyway!  As has already been said, around workbench it's twice as fast as a Blizzy 1230, you'll notice it in games like Doom for example and CD Games such as Genetic Species or other 3D Games like Gloom Deluxe.  Also emulators and other CPU intensive tasks will be faster/smoother.

Sure, there are some issues with WHDLoad Games, so if you want soley as a WHDLoad machine you are better off with an 030 :)

You'll need pretty decent soldering skills to fit the extra Simm Socket but beware once fitted the Apollo 1240 will no longer fit in a Desktop A1200. even without the Ram in place as the Socket will stop the keyboard fitting into place.

I would suggest using an uprated PSU, Amigakit sell modified ATX PSU's and I have one here that has been ultra reliable.

But overall, indeed - this card is leaps and bounds above the M-Tec 1230, have fun with it and let us know how you get on :afro:

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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2011, 09:12:02 PM »
You don't suppose the residue is from flux?

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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2011, 09:28:52 PM »
You lucky so and so i was bidding on that also :)
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2011, 11:29:47 PM »
Quote from: dougal;670691
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/130611973137?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_2454wt_1189

Apollo 1240 @ 25Mhz. It is untested, my risk. Am waiting for it to arrive.

If you look at the pics, is that what looks like residue anything to worry about?

Is it easy to add an extras simm slot and overclock to 40 or 50 Mhz without damaging it?

Will i see a huge improvement over my current M-tec 1230 @ 40Mhz with 8Mb ?

I will be installing this in my A1200 desktop.

I don't think it is safe to clock a 25mhz 040 up past 28 or so in a desktop case because of heat.

You may want to see if that card could be upgraded to 060 if you really want speed. I do know that the 060 operates on a lower voltage and generates around the same amount of heat as an 030.
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2011, 11:54:10 PM »
Looks similar to the one I'm selling, I wonder if this can be upgraded to 060 as well? If so you got a double bonus!
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2011, 11:57:22 PM »
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Looks similar to the one I'm selling, I wonder if this can be upgraded to 060 as well? If so you got a double bonus!


Does it have a chip on it that says MACH131? I can see the one dougal bought has mach130. I don't know if that can go beyond 040 unless you can find a mach131 chip. The cool thing is that if you go from 040 25mhz to 060 50mhz, I think you can keep the same clock...
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2011, 07:57:11 AM »
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You lucky so and so i was bidding on that also :)

ebay isn't about luck, it's about agreeing to pay more than anyone else.
 
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2011, 10:17:03 AM »
Well done on winning the item :)
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2011, 10:18:09 AM »
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ebay isn't about luck, it's about agreeing to pay more than anyone else.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winner's_curse


I didn't mean to offend if thats what ive done it was just meant as a little bit of banter.
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Re: I just bought this.....
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2011, 10:41:44 AM »
@dougal

Well done, I hope it's all working fine for you. Can't tell what the residue is on yours, but my Blizzard 1260 has had a small amount of residue around the CPU pins since new (about 10 years) with no problems. Most probably leftover flux from the manufacturing process. Anyway, the differences are that the 68040 isn't actually 100% compatible with the 68030, as some functions have changed or have been removed - especially in the FPU. To compensate for this, there's a 68040.library which you need to have installed if you don't already have it, so most software will work fine once this is in place. It's just something to be aware of really, in case you find some software which crashes but worked before on the 68030.

As for overclocking: I wouldn't do it. The 68040 is already a pretty hot chip (the hottest of the 68k range) so clocking it any higher is only asking for trouble...
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