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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #44 from previous page: December 01, 2011, 10:20:31 PM »
@Iggy, What makes Morph/AmigaOS so good over any Unix OS?
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 10:26:24 PM »
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@Iggy, What makes Morph/AmigaOS so good over any Unix OS?


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I think they are Amiga users' favorite operating systems. It's easy to use them on Amiga hardware. We are used to them.
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 10:40:21 PM »
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@Iggy, What makes Morph/AmigaOS so good over any Unix OS?


MorphOS/AmigaOS is not better/worse than soem random Unis (like) OS. It's different. I surely wouldn't run a huge server farm on Amiga/MorphOS. But my attemps to use Linux for my personal computers were all disapointing. I don't like the usual Linux setups (tried it several times since the millenium started), and don't want to mess with them until they are adjused to be acceptable to me.
Same holds true for the popular incarnation of BSD. It's boring to me. I just don't follow the way Apple assumes users should organise a computer. Amiga/MorphOS has it's pros as it has its cons. It's mostly a matter of taste. And my peference list has MorphOS(Amiga/AROS) on top. Most other ppl have other OSes on top.

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2011, 11:24:49 PM »
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@Iggy, What makes Morph/AmigaOS so good over any Unix OS?
Well, I can't speak for MorphOS, but as someone who just wasted a hell of a lot of time trying to get into Linux for personal use (about which I wrote a long rant in my blog,) I'd have to say that it's just plain not a good desktop-computing OS. Obviously the Unix model is very good for server environments, and probably certain kinds of workstation setups. And the underlying technology has been used quite successfully to build OSes for phones and other devices.

But not to beat around the bush, it's just a giant pain in the ass, or series of pains in the ass. Installation/upgrade is painless, except when it isn't, and then it's agony just to get things back to working the way they were, the underlying structure is such a labyrinth of cryptically-named files that depend on other cryptically-named files in ways that are never consistent across distributions and nobody ever documents, the UI is schizophrenic unless you're using one of the "giant integrated suite" desktop environments like GNOME or KDE, and even then it's not very good, and in any case you still have software like the GIMP that is just utterly unusable. And the culture is such that any issue you have gets you a few responses of "I feel your pain, but I don't have the capability to fix this either," accompanied by a bunch of people smarming about "well, this is The Linux Way, and if you don't like it, write your own software, because clearly you as a would-be end-user have the time, inclination, and ability to do that."

The question isn't what makes AmigaOS/MorphOS/Haiku/Kolibri/whatever better than Unix. The question is, from a user's standpoint, what could make it worse?
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 11:25:17 PM »
No deterministic reason?

Personally I prefer FreeBSD, I find Linux messy.
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #49 on: December 02, 2011, 08:00:00 PM »
I would agree with CommodoreJohn that Linux can be a difficult OS to adapt to.
AmigaOS and its offshoots are compact and relatively simple.
 
I having Linux installed on several systems, but I still get more use (and utility) out of MorphOS, OSX and Windows.
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2011, 10:30:40 PM »
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The question isn't what makes AmigaOS/MorphOS/Haiku/Kolibri/whatever better than Unix. The question is, from a user's standpoint, what could make it worse?


Unix isn't for everyone; that is a mistake the "Linux on the Desktop" crowd always make.

Some users are just plain stupid and they'll never leave their comfort zone and learn something new. It is very arrogant of the Linux distributors to think people will change to suit the distro.

As for what makes AmigaOS/... better? Obviously its the ability to run it on expensive, outdated hardware, running with the best apps that were available 20 years ago.
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2011, 10:43:41 PM »
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This has come up on the Natami forums before. Due to the cost of the FPGA (they are not cheap) you may as well buy a Natami and have done with it, that way you get all the advantages that Natami offers too.


I wonder what the cost would be. I'm pretty sure the classic user base could present an instant market for such hardware. Cash in to the Natami project as well. Then again, I'm not a business analyst...
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2011, 10:58:39 PM »
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Some users are just plain stupid and they'll never leave their comfort zone and learn something new. It is very arrogant of the Linux distributors to think people will change to suit the distro.
I'm willing to go out of my comfort zone, really I am; I've been trying for seven years now to get into it. But a lot of this **** is just plain bad user interface design, and it seems like hardly any developers realize that, or listen to the users who are saying as much.
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #53 on: December 03, 2011, 10:20:25 AM »
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I'm willing to go out of my comfort zone, really I am; I've been trying for seven years now to get into it. But a lot of this **** is just plain bad user interface design, and it seems like hardly any developers realize that, or listen to the users who are saying as much.


I like Linux for the GNU.  I love OSX as well, but all I have to run it on is an older macbook.  For me its all about the tools.  MS for gaming and (with win7) stability (I'm dead serious) and certain things needed for school/work, linux/osx for work, especially any networking/etc or work easily done by terminal.  Plus, I hate putty.
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #54 on: December 03, 2011, 12:58:39 PM »
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Maybe DCE is producing them and slowly putting them on eBay :)

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LOL My thoughts exactly.

I think it's a great idea, we should start with a free scheme open to all contributions and then see if it is economically sustainable. Let's try these chinese manufacturers...
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2011, 02:25:15 PM »
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We need new classic Amiga's without the the limitations of the old ones. The old ones are failing day by day and you have to be tech savy to be able to keep one running properly.


That's exactly what we wanted to do as a pet project back then at AHT Europe seven years ago, e.g. as a replacement board for those still using Amigas for Video work and broadcasting at that time.

Some back then regular here (don't know if his project ever became public knowledge, thus I'm not mentioning his name) did previously work on an ATX redesign of the A4000 and we wanted him to finalize it, integrating the Prometheus into it (which had been the reason I did buy the rights, the AmiVD was just a by-product). Next step would have been PPC-integration on base of this A4000 ATX design.
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2011, 04:41:16 PM »
@Senex
That's interesting but how far did it go ? All these projects that happened along the years that didn't come to fruition would have all benefited from some cooperation.
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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2011, 06:15:01 PM »
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@Senex
That's interesting but how far did it go?


He had two protoypes of his ATX redesign (PCB only), said to be done years before already - although I have to state that I've never seen them myself. We wanted to show one of the boards at our booth at the CeBIT fair, were we presented the Ariana STB, but he didn't send it. A week before CeBIT started, he wrote about the board: "I'm waiting to get it from the etcher. If it's not ready by wednesday, I fall onto plan B, a full sized printout of the top mask." Since during CeBIT I finally decided to quit, that's been the last thing I heard about that project.
 

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Re: Cloning the CyberstormPPC
« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2011, 07:07:36 PM »
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integrating the Prometheus into it (which had been the reason I did buy the rights

Ha, so this was why AHT bought the rights from Matay... :-)