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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #44 from previous page: October 22, 2011, 03:48:44 PM »
@all

Although I would love to have one, I winced when I saw the price. A big factor for me would be whether I could sell my micro A1 to move up to the X1000. Perhaps that option should be added to the poll. Anyone care to guess what a 512MB slightly used micro is worth these days?
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2011, 03:50:54 PM »
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Call me stupid but I would rather sell one hundred X1000s at 1000EUR each than ten X1000s at 2500EUR each. Nevertheless, it would be cool if we had an expandable and powerful X2000 workstation alongside a cheaper X500 machine as we had A500 and A2000 (or even better, A1200 and A4000) two decades ago. And yes, the Sam460 should cost 300EUR with a complete system at 500EUR _including_ AmigaOS4. Oh well ....



You would have to be stupid are else extremely rich as you would be selling at a big loss.  The AmigaOne X1000 and Sam are manufactured in low volumes in England and Italy, so will always be pricy compared to Dell's, Apple etc which are built by the millions in China.
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2011, 03:55:15 PM »
How to make a small fortune in AmigaOS.

1) Start with a large fortune.

We lose money on every sale but we make it up on volume...
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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2011, 04:03:23 PM »
Buy one at 2600 dollars? Of course not.
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2011, 04:12:52 PM »
I voted stick with my classic/ng amiga.  What I really meant was that as well as use MorphOS on my PowerMac G4 and AROS also.  Not to mention upgrading my classic to a NatAmi when I get the money to do so.
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2011, 05:20:08 PM »
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I voted stick with my classic/ng amiga. What I really meant was that as well as use MorphOS on my PowerMac G4 and AROS also. Not to mention upgrading my classic to a NatAmi when I get the money to do so.

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2011, 05:30:18 PM »
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How to make a small fortune in AmigaOS.
1) Start with a large fortune.
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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2011, 08:34:53 PM »
$2600 ? is this:
a) a joke ?
b) confirmed ? link please

either way... madness... not me, not even for half of that

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2011, 08:43:01 PM »
I think...

...if a ton of coders jumped on board to support this hardware, I'd be willing to go as far as $1,600 for one of these, though I was hoping it would be more like $1,300.

That of course would mean that the hardware would be 110%. Great 3D drivers, hi-speed on-line drivers, software that showed off what the programmable CPU could do, and more than anything, GREAT backwards compatibility! I think if this programmable CPU is anything like FPGA technology, that that might be possible. That would make it an Amiga, not having to use some sub-standard port of UAE, which btw is light years behind WinUAE.

Give me that, and at that price range, and I'm on bored!

In the mean time, it does not offer me ANYTHING that my classic Amiga(s) and MorphOS machine do not offer.
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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2011, 10:34:57 PM »
Still sitting on my hard earned cash and waitin' for NATAMI project to become consumers reality. X1000 isn't any continum IMHO of what C= left for us Amigans. But again who am I to judge. I respect their (Hyperion) doings in NG field, but this isn't my "cup of tea". Thank you.
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #55 on: October 23, 2011, 12:44:15 AM »
i voted ill stick with my classic amigas, though will run aros eventually on them.
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #56 on: October 23, 2011, 02:13:37 AM »
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Tension,

While you don't get "rid" of Windows, I've been extremely happy with the slipstream XP method.  Boots right into WB, no muss no fuss.  After configuration as per the guide you can opt to never see Windows again.

http://wowohl.de/Amiga_XP_x86.pdf


But it still suffers from all the problems of Windows. Just because you are running WinUAE does not mean you are not getting hacked over the network cable or get a corrupt 2 byte file in the registry that stops it booting :)

As far as MOS or OS4 goes....I'll wait until someone writes a PPC G4/G5 emulator core and then lets me run either of those systems via some sort of OS4 emulator :) I have no interest in running OS4/MOS on hardware that is worthless to 99% of the world of computer users in reality.

The price of the x1000 is not the only problem, none of these Next Gen 'Amiga' solutions will actually replace a REAL Amiga than a PC running WinUAE at all, and what am I supposed to do with my 300+ original Amiga games.....exchange them for cracktros from Planetemu.net? No thanks :)

As long as you are not retarded enough to buy Amiga Forever (you are entitled legally to use downloaded roms if you own that version of Kickstart in an A500/A1200/CD32 FACT) then WinUAE OR a REAL Amiga is the only options AFAIC
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #57 on: October 23, 2011, 02:18:13 AM »
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Still sitting on my hard earned cash and waitin' for NATAMI project to become consumers reality. X1000 isn't any continum IMHO of what C= left for us Amigans. But again who am I to judge. I respect their (Hyperion) doings in NG field, but this isn't my "cup of tea". Thank you.


Interesting. The problem is a hypothetical 'modern Amiga' is such a leap from what we had to what is possible on current CPUs like 6 core AMD Phenom etc it's like going from a wooden sailing boat called enterprise to a galaxy class star ship called Enterprise ;)

It's been so long since a real Amiga was made (1994) that really, in reality, there will never be a modern Amiga because too much time has now passed to actually create a genuine Amiga setup on level playing field with OS X/Win7 machines for daily use (let alone a superior system which is what the A1000 was in 1985 to EVERYTHING and in EVERY WAY ;) )
 

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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #58 on: October 23, 2011, 04:05:10 AM »
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As far as MOS or OS4 goes....I'll wait until someone writes a PPC G4/G5 emulator core and then lets me run either of those systems via some sort of OS4 emulator :)
There are PowerPC emulators out there. I believe QEMU emulates the full G4 instruction set (can't recall if it supports G5 or not,) but it doesn't emulate any OS4 custom hardware, and anyway QEMU's performance is lackluster in my experience. SheepShaver emulates PPC Macs, but I don't know if it goes up to any of the G4s, or if it emulates things well enough for MorphOS to run.

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It's been so long since a real Amiga was made (1994) that really, in reality, there will never be a modern Amiga because too much time has now passed to actually create a genuine Amiga setup on level playing field with OS X/Win7 machines for daily use (let alone a superior system which is what the A1000 was in 1985 to EVERYTHING and in EVERY WAY ;) )
Oh, that's a load of crap. OSX and Windows 7 aren't powered by fairy magic imported from the distant future, they're just newer, more solid implementations of old technology. Hell, OSX's kernel is based on CMU's Mach project, which is as old as the Amiga itself!

Amiga-like OSes can be hampered by how much they want to retain compatibility with legacy Amiga software and its API, but so were Windows 95 and Mac OS (in fact, later versions of Mac OS suffered from some of the same problems Amiga updates have to deal with, stemming from both systems' decision to rely on a lack of memory protection that hampered things later when MMUs were common and could have helped stability.) Mac OS solved that issue by ditching the existing system entirely and relegating it to a whole OS instance running in emulation for classic applications, not too different from some Amiga approaches. None of this stuff is magic, it's just one set of workable solutions to a common set of problems.

And no, a modern Amiga attempt probably isn't going to be the absolute best thing on the market, because it's a whole different market now than it was in 1985. If we focused less on keeping up with the Joneses than simply trying to make something that's good on its own merits, we might have more systems worth using and fewer $3000 paperweights that underperform $500 used Macs.
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Re: What would be your move now that you know the price of the X1000?
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2011, 07:44:57 PM »
£1700 for a system that runs outdated hardware?
What exactly is the strategy for these systems? What are they supposed to do? Who do they expect to buy them?
As much as I'd like to have something with the Amiga name and OS again, I can't help but feel that dumping that amount on a system who's future or support is extremely shaky at the best of times is a silly idea.
Think Apple's made it quite clear that the only way to make a dent in the PC market is to make a machine that's shiny, and even then you need a hell of a lot of other shiny products to bolster company funds.

Consumer wise, there is one strength Amiga/AmigaOS can play to and that's it's almost instant on, even from cold. That and the OS itself can be quite tiny, which would be a blessing for smartphones. You can't help but feel the owners of the rights to AmigaOS missed a trick there.

Sorry if I'm wide of the mark. I don't keep up much with the goings on with Amiga these days. Plus a lot up there ^^^ is rambling. :lol: