First Contact : AmigaOne X1000 Limited Edition

[XDelusion]

Imagine if all OS4 software was custom written for a machine like this and could run on no other! OS4 users would be up a creek without a paddle, especially since this is the only "Amiga" with that progrmmable CPU thing.

I was excited, and was hoping the price was going to fall around $1,300.

That's the highest amount I'm willing to spend on a next gen "Amiga" that lacks the old custom chips.

[cha05e90]

Price is justified IF somebody is willing to buy it and it seems so.

Ofcourse we all hope that there would be cheaper hardware, but it doesn't seems to be likely?

Funny thing is that most of people who are crying price here wouldn't buy this, even if price would be 100€

Oh, maybe they will buy the hardware - but then they will cry about the incredible high price of the OS! Been there, seen it (MorphOS).

[XDelusion]

For as little as I spent on my Mac. I for one am not complaining about the price of MorphOS.

[klx300r]

That word describes the whole deal pretty well I think.

PS. Excuse my selective quoting.

ah it's ok Piru....we all know you truly care about every single A-Eon, ACube, and AmigaOS4.x thread:roflmao:

btw, I'm looking forward to trying out MOS on my X1000:afro:

On Topic:

!!! congrats to A-Eon for delivering the goods !!!

[paolone]

You can pick up a realtek 8139 or 8029 PCI nic for a few dollars at most flea markets, used computer shops.  Same with PCI sound cards.  Not a big deal IMHO.

Sorry to enter the discussion this way, however no. He (she, me... maybe it's better saying "we"). We don't have to spend additional €5 to buy a PCI network card for a system thats costs over € 2000. It's who builds the machine who asks me to spend over € 2000 for his product, that should do that, silently, without pretending anything in exchange, but simply telling us "you know, we were a little late with the onboard drivers, but since we care for our beloved customers (we really SHOULD care about our customers, since they LOVE us enough to spend so much money for our system), we've added a € 5 network card you can use from day 1. We're sorry for that. The day we'll release the driver, you can free up a PCI slot to use it they way you like".

Some times ago Stephen Jones sold his iMica systems, whose mainboard was only partially supported by the OS (sound and some other stuff didn't work with AROS). Well, he replaced the missing features with proper PCI cards until the mainboard got fully supported. Then he even cut the price. And he didn't sell them for € 2000. Nor for € 1000, but less, much less money.

Hard core amigans won't ever stop astonishing me, when it has to do with protecting people who charge them with oversized prices for underwpowered systems, but please, please go on. I can't live without the poor excuses they use to do that.

[zylesea]

Right, but I thought we were discussing that future release to begin with.

MorphOS 3.0 will not support iBooks. It will support Powerbooks 1.5 & 1.67 GHz 15" and 17". And it will not run on ibooks by chance. The boards are actually having enough differences to avoid this. Plus MorphOS itselfs checks for the hardware and doesn't proceed the boot process if the hardware is not on the list of supported hardware.

[Templario]

Weell, Tomorrow I'll buy one.... when I'll win the euromilions, but 2000 euros A-Eon makes a computer or a Ferrari? are they crazy?(as say Obelix)

[trekiej]

New stuff always cost more when it is first released.

[HammerD]

Sorry to enter the discussion this way, however no. He (she, me... maybe it's better saying "we"). We don't have to spend additional €5 to buy a PCI network card for a system thats costs over € 2000. It's who builds the machine who asks me to spend over € 2000 for his product, that should do that, silently, without pretending anything in exchange, but simply telling us "you know, we were a little late with the onboard drivers, but since we care for our beloved customers (we really SHOULD care about our customers, since they LOVE us enough to spend so much money for our system), we've added a € 5 network card you can use from day 1. We're sorry for that. The day we'll release the driver, you can free up a PCI slot to use it they way you like".

Some times ago Stephen Jones sold his iMica systems, whose mainboard was only partially supported by the OS (sound and some other stuff didn't work with AROS). Well, he replaced the missing features with proper PCI cards until the mainboard got fully supported. Then he even cut the price. And he didn't sell them for € 2000. Nor for € 1000, but less, much less money.

Hard core amigans won't ever stop astonishing me, when it has to do with protecting people who charge them with oversized prices for underwpowered systems, but please, please go on. I can't live without the poor excuses they use to do that.

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you.  And BTW, in order for me to get AROS to work I had to buy such a RTL 8139 card and Sound card.  AROS doesn't support my on-board NIC.  But I am not complaining about it.  It's a requirement if I want to run AROS.

On-board drivers for _all_ hardware on the X1000 will come, the drivers are in development.  The motherboard, however, is ready, has been vetted on Linux, all the on-board stuff works.

So you can now buy the X1000 system and add your own Network card and Sound card.  Or wait until the drivers are done.

Also, did you not read my post about low volumes + niche market? High prices are nothing new, you should know that by now.  This is not commodity hardware, but brand new system, built for OS4 specifically and it is low volume, high cost.  Yes, that is a fact.

The entire idea is to garner excitement about AmigaOS 4, get people and companies interested again by releasing a steady stream of new hardware.  Maybe everyone can't afford the X1000 - you can buy a SAM - it's cheaper.  

Certainly any company considering to purchase an AmigaOS4 system will want to buy a complete system, not a used PowerMac, for example.

Anyway, if anyone thinks A-EON is getting rich by the X1000 then I'm sure you are totally wrong.  I bet there is minimal if any profit, just enough to keep going and hopefully develop follow on products. A-EON was started by Trevor who is a true Amiga fan and has a passion for this and truly wants to see the Amiga rise again.

Everyone should be happy A-EON is taking a big risk and shelling out the money to try to get this market going again.

You may not ever by this system but you should be encouraging this and not be against it.

[odin]

wants to see the Amiga rise again.

Wow. Just wow.

[Tripitaka]

And these days about as useful.

Make of it what you will. It was just an observation on what is considered a reasonable price these days, for the sake of social science.

Back in the day my £1500 486 was a bargain. It was as good as many £2000 PCs of the day yet my A1200 was £300. The PCs offered some advantages over the Amiga and the Amiga offered some advantages over the PC. Let's not forget of course that PC's of that time had hard drives, sound cards, CD-ROM's and four times the amount of RAM compared to an A1200.

Now the situation is very much reversed in terms of price. £300 PC or £1500 Amiga?

The PC still offers the same advantages over the Amiga as it did before (raw power and  standardized components). Now more of the Amiga's components are standardized parts too of course, the PPC processor and OS are the main differences now.

I have a PC, a netbook, various consoles and five Amiga's already, maybe I should sell some classic Amiga's (just keeping my A1200 and CD32) and put it towards an X1000. Can I justify £1500 on the most powerful Amiga ever?

For some £1500 is pocket change, for others it's just not feasible financially to pay out so much for a hobby computer. Ironically my 486 was my hobby computer when I bought my A1200, I ran more productivity software on my Amiga than I did my PC.

Sadly I can't afford £1500 for now and selling a few classic Amiga's will most likely not even make a dent in the price. However, I know full well that at other times of my life I wouldn't have cared that it was £1500, it's about the same amount my current PC cost when I built it too, and it's had a lot of upgrades since then. Well... ..Maybe next year.

[hbarcellos]

Of course it's extremely expensive.
That's due to scale. They're probably not trying to make A LOT OF money on margins.
What really surprises me is how the hell those guys manage to get finance for a project like this?
Investing money to produce a new machine, different from all the mainstream architectures, in order to run a semi-hobbyist/not complete Operating System that just ~0.0005% of the potential computer buyers could at least understand what it is, and, OH, it would cost more than a brand new quad core i7 17" macbook pro?

Where the heck those guys took the money from? They really expect some return over their investments?

[TheGoose]

£1699 (excluding AmigaOS4 license, shipping, handling and sales tax).

Wham! You just got bitch slapped by a computer, Xena the computer warrior!
:pint:

[klx300r]

guys the 'it's too expensive' discussion is getting too old yet again. Hopefully A-Eon will offer the MB only in the future for people to save money but other than that all this talk about pricing is futile

[commodorejohn]

If a thread is posted about the X1000, I'm going to offer my opinion about the X1000.

[XDelusion]

I love the machine, hate the price.