what do i need for amiga to detect bigger hd

[Crumb]

It is 80GB, 2 x 40GB partitions.

Actually, it consists of 2 x 80GB HDs, 4 x 40GB Partitions, PFS3 on a FastATA4000.  All partitions boot happily and they all have over 4GB of info on them (ClassicWB 3.x installed, WHDLoad and just about every game you can think of).

If the HD is connected to motherboard ide/scsi and you coldboot your miggy with the old scsi.device loaded and also modify data above the 4GB you will overwrite the data located in the first 4GB of the HD.

FastATA4000 is different because when you coldboot the card already supports 64bit commands.

[Brian]

hello

What hardware do i need for my amiga 4000 to run bigger hard drives over 4g?.  Also what graphics card is best out of picasso 2 or retina z3?.

OS3.9 and you're good to go, with 3.1 it's a bit more work (although both requier the boot partition to be withing the first 4GB):
SCSI.device v43+
FastFileSystem V43+
LoadModule loading in the SCSI.device and FFS modules from the startup-sequense... that should do it and it also adds CDRom on the A4000 IDE connector aswell.

[mechy]

So this brings up some questions.  How much faster is the FastATA 4000?  Looks like the MK-V should be in stock at Amigakit within 8 more days.  But is it really worth 166 bucks?

I think my A4000 could load a bit faster (right now it takes about 1minute 30 seconds before it's fully loaded up WB, and I have ClassicWB on it, with my mediator, radeon, and network card.  As well as an Indivision AGA).

Either that, or does a CF card adapter speed it up a whole lot?  I don't have a deneb yet, but was considering it.  I still have (hopefully) a second A4000 on the way, if DiscreetFX could get my address correct (some of which is probably my fault, but it should be sent to my parent's house...) So I'm wondering if I should set aside some cash for at least one of the FastATA 4000 MK-V, or CF card adapters, or what.  Decisions, decisions...

slaapliedje

If your looking for max speed with low cpu overhead forget the elbox stuff. SCSI off the accelerator is best because its local bus and avoids zorro3 bottlenecks. the accelerators with ultrawide scsi  are very fast(cyberstorm MK3 or PPC- 25MB/s+) but the cyberstorm MKII and warpengine narrow scsi is good too.Just all depends what you are doing.

Mech

[mechy]

hello

What hardware do i need for my amiga 4000 to run bigger hard drives over 4g?.  Also what graphics card is best out of picasso 2 or retina z3?.

As the others said, retina z3 would definately be faster. (just make sure your 4000 has buster 11 . i think the retina requires it).

os3.9 would probabaly be the easiest way to get the newer scsi device with 64bit support for large drives.
I would say use SFS over FFS also.
Mech

[slaapliedje]

I bought the MK4, but user upgraded it (replaced the ROM) to make it a MK5.

Yes, it is fast because you can select different speed modes for each device attached (PIO0 to PIO5), but you have to remember the size of the files we typically load as Amiga users.  I'm as happy with the Buddha in my A2000 as I am with the FastATA in my A4000.  Either way they are great pieces of kit and (IMHO) worth the money.

I wish I was at home because I'd time how fast it take me to load ClassicWB as I have a Mediator (With Radeon & SB) plus a Deneb.  I have a DVD ROM, CF Adapter and 2 x 80GB hard drives attached to the FastATA and I promise you that booting takes a hell of a lot less than 90 seconds.

I'll be home in 2 weeks.  If you're still interested then PM me and I'll time it for you.

Edit:  One thing you can do to speed up your A4000 is to terminate the IDE connector on the Motherboard.  The Deneb has a file to copy to the flash ROM, or you can use a physical terminator that just clips onto the IDE port.  Without it you have a delay in booting where the A4000 just sits there and does nothing.

Interesting about the terminator.  That would explain why it does just seem to sit there and do nothing for a while.  That pause is a good 15 or so seconds (at least it seems that way).  

I'll try to remember to remind you to do a speed test.. my memory is pretty much crap though

slaapliedje

[slaapliedje]

If your looking for max speed with low cpu overhead forget the elbox stuff. SCSI off the accelerator is best because its local bus and avoids zorro3 bottlenecks. the accelerators with ultrawide scsi  are very fast(cyberstorm MK3 or PPC- 25MB/s+) but the cyberstorm MKII and warpengine narrow scsi is good too.Just all depends what you are doing.

Mech

Would love to go that route, but unfortunately even back when they were new, SCSI drives have been so expensive.  And that's just the hard drive, the accelerators are rare and everyone wants 800 bucks for 'em, which is about what I've already put into this A4000.  

I was thinking for a long time to pick up one of those 060 accelerators from Softwarehut, are they still around?  (Softwarehut and the accelerators)

slaapliedje

[LaserBack]

there is a myth that the first partition must be 2gb or lower
but it is not true at all...it's true for all filesystems except PFS3 DS
if you config the hardisk to use PFS3 DS (direct scsi) you can setup for example a 160gb hardisk as only boot partition
sincerely I don't know which is the limit of PFS3 ds but 160gb as boot partition works perfect
you do not need scsi v43 or v44 ...works perfect with scsi.device v39 or v40 in rom...there is no need to install new scsi.devices or reboots

EDIT:to make this works correctly ...first you must load resident scsi.device v43 and make all the hardisk setup....otherwise HDtoolbox will not recognize the drive correctly...hardisk size,numbers of cylinders ect

[Darrin]

there is a myth that the first partition must be 2gb or lower
but it is not true at all...it's true for all filesystems except PFS3 DS
if you config the hardisk to use PFS3 DS (direct scsi) you can setup for example a 160gb hardisk as only boot partition
sincerely I don't know which is the limit of PFS3 ds but 160gb as boot partition works perfect
you do not need scsi v43 or v44 ...works perfect with scsi.device v39 or v40 in rom...there is no need to install new scsi.devices or reboots

EDIT:to make this works correctly ...first you must load resident scsi.device v43 and make all the hardisk setup....otherwise HDtoolbox will not recognize the drive correctly...hardisk size,numbers of cylinders ect

That sounds about right.

When I set up my first 80 GB hard drive I booted from a 2GB CF Card with Classic Workbench.  I then formatted them from there using PFS3-DS as 20 bootable 40GB partitions and copied the contents of the CF card over, added the WHDLoad games and other stuff before putting the CF Card away as an "Emergency boot disk".  I then prepped the other 80GB drive after booting from the first one.