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Offline nicholasTopic starter

Emulator for NeXT Step?
« on: October 06, 2011, 04:52:24 PM »
Anyone know of an emulator that would run the old 68k version of NextStep?
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 04:56:53 PM »
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Anyone know of an emulator that would run the old 68k version of NextStep?


You'd probably have to write one. I'd suggest paravirtualization would be the way to go, if you were going to run it on real 68K amiga hardware because as sure as MacOS needs the lower 4K, NeXT will probably want some absolute address range mapped that AmigaOS wants.

However, beyond any guest patches, the 68010+ meets the Popek & Goldberg requirements for hardware virtualization, so you can get away with ShapeShifter style "emulation", or virtualization as it's called in current parlance ;)
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2011, 05:08:44 PM »
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You'd probably have to write one. I'd suggest paravirtualization would be the way to go, if you were going to run it on real 68K amiga hardware because as sure as MacOS needs the lower 4K, NeXT will probably want some absolute address range mapped that AmigaOS wants.

However, beyond any guest patches, the 68010+ meets the Popek & Goldberg requirements for hardware virtualization, so you can get away with ShapeShifter style "emulation", or virtualization as it's called in current parlance ;)


I found one. :)

http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=37305&sid=c3937ee93b39270ad36fe5e12f0b4257
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2011, 05:22:13 PM »
I moved these posts to a new thread. They seemed a bit OT...
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2011, 06:49:43 PM »
More to the point can you still get 68k NeXTStep?!?
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2011, 07:12:13 PM »
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More to the point can you still get 68k NeXTStep?!?


http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-Software-NeXTSTEP-3-2-CD-/150671533837?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2314b9270d

Gotta love software that comes with a 3.5" floppy "CD-ROM Installation Disk"
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2011, 07:39:28 PM »
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More to the point can you still get 68k NeXTStep?!?


Black Hole Inc who still sells used NeXT gear was given permission by Apple to sell burned copies of both NeXTSTEP 3.3 and OpenSTEP 4.x to buyers.  I think he charges $50 for either one.

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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2011, 07:44:35 PM »
And since I am a NeXT junkie, here is a short video of my NeXTcube Dual Dimension driving 2 large 21" displays running NeXTSTEP 3.3 and playing an MP3.

Fun stuff.  Still digg NeXTSTEP myself.

Enjoy.

tj

Little dark but hey, not a pro video guy and my room is ultra dark it seems.  :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj7_G6rabd4
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2011, 08:02:24 PM »
Hmm, I wonder if there's a MESS driver for NeXT systems.

More to the point, I wonder if you could shoehorn it onto an appropriate 68k Amiga and get results like you get with Mac emulation.
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2011, 10:43:01 PM »
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More to the point can you still get 68k NeXTStep?!?


You can get EVERYTHING on the internets Matt!
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2011, 10:47:26 PM »
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You can get EVERYTHING on the internets Matt!
Yeah, I know it! I wish I had time for this stuff anymore :(

Might just compile GNUStep for 68k.... ;)
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2011, 11:36:31 PM »
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Yeah, I know it! I wish I had time for this stuff anymore :(

Might just compile GNUStep for 68k.... ;)


I reckon GNUStep+Windowmaker would probably be quite nippy on 68k NetBSD. :)
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2011, 01:13:16 AM »
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Black Hole Inc who still sells used NeXT gear was given permission by Apple to sell burned copies of both NeXTSTEP 3.3 and OpenSTEP 4.x to buyers.  I think he charges $50 for either one.

TJ

erm unless $40 goes to Apple that company can get stuffed, costs $2 to do CD,label and DVD covers. >$8 is a joke for making CD-Rs IMO

time to seek torrents.....

Intel x86 version of Open Step must be still be somewhere. It's like AROS for Next lovers!
« Last Edit: October 07, 2011, 01:15:29 AM by Digiman »
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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2011, 02:00:59 AM »
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erm unless $40 goes to Apple that company can get stuffed, costs $2 to do CD,label and DVD covers. >$8 is a joke for making CD-Rs IMO

time to seek torrents.....

Intel x86 version of Open Step must be still be somewhere. It's like AROS for Next lovers!


They may send more than just the copies of the CDs but not sure.  Figured I would post what I saw before about them legally selling copies.  :)

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Re: Emulator for NeXT Step?
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2011, 09:31:33 AM »
@amigasociety

what software can you run on NeXT?
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