You thought the X1000 was overpriced?

[dammy]

You do know that corporate customers will expect a little more support than "check the ubuntu forum" right?

I covered that with Barry on my recent phone call with him.   Things will  be come much clearer in the next few months; if not sooner.

[CritAnime]

And there is only Disney and Motorola that are instantly recognisable out of that list. Also the link fails.

[nicholas]

I covered that with Barry on my recent phone call with him.   Things will  be come much clearer in the next few months; if not sooner.

Did he ask what colour drawers you had on?

[dammy]

Ah, "wait and see," dammy's go-to argument. Riddle me this, exactly what pieces of the puzzle could fall into place to make this not insane? The high-end workstation market is already saturated with vendors who all have longer and better track records than CUSA, and I would bet better pricing as well. A zombie brand name is going to change any of that, even less so than in the home market.

I am not at liberty to explain it but there are some massive pieces to this puzzle you haven't heard about, yet.

[commodorejohn]

I covered that with Barry on my recent phone call with him.   Things will  be come much clearer in the next few months; if not sooner.

Here's a thought: how about if you know something and you want to make a point with what you know, you tell us what that is? Because otherwise it just looks like you're full of ****, but it couldn't be that, could it? I mean, it's not like you've pulled this "just wait and see" crap to counter predictions that the C64x hardware will be bog-standard Atom boards or that the "Ubuntu as a stopgap until the release of Commodore OS" thing actually meant that "Commodore OS" was going to be a skinned Linux distro, right?

I am not at liberty to explain it but there are some  massive pieces to this puzzle you haven't heard about, yet.

Yeah, that's exactly what you've said every other time. If Barry really does have you on some kind of NDA leash, do us all a favor and note to him that it makes you the worst liason to this community outside of BigBenAussie, will ya?

[paolone]

I don't understand all this sharpness. Commodore USA promised a revival to the Commodore 64 and delivered the product in 6 months. You may find it beautiful or awful, but it proved to exist and to sell, so in a nutshell CUSA was right and most people here and there was wrong. I wonder why most people can't understand their vision of the market, since it's so simple.

First of all, new Amigas will be x64, like many other computers, servers and workstation. They won't be the 'different machines' they could be 25 years ago. They will have to compete on a standardized platform market which is used on practically every field of human activities. If they have to differ somehow from Macs, from Dell and HP workstations, they must provide first class hardware components in a clean, personal, recognizable case line. They can't compete in the consumer market because there's no room for new payers, nor there's room for good incomes. You can buy a great PC for less than $1000, why should you buy another one for $2500 or more?

So the only option to leverage the Amiga brand is selling it as professional computing solution, exactly what Commodore tried to do with the A1000, at least initially. Then they discovered they needed a successor for the C64, and since the C128 wasn't a good idea (and 16 bit platforms were arising at the same time), they brought the A500 to the masses. The problem today is there's no need for a new A500 anymore. A similar machine (a PC with an A500-like case, similar to the C64x) would make happy some vintage maniacs like the C64x did, but it wouldn't fit any other rational need. For instance, I am using the case and the keyboard of a broken A1200 as keyrah-driven USB keyboard for my main PC, I don't need an A500-replica to be happier. Don't forget, then, that old Commodore sold about 20 millions of C64, but only 7 of Amigas (all models together). If you would have been Barry, what model you'd choose for a replica?

If Commodore USA can afford all the needs of corporates (customer care and support at first), I can only welcome the rebirth of Amigas as serious, professional cutting edge workstations. It's the best the name deserves. Yes, I won't have the money to afford one, but at least they will be machines I will DREAM to make mine again, like they did looooong ago. And, thanks to the x64 platform, they will also have a future, unlike some old computers we all love and still miss.

[dammy]

Why not show us some pictures, renders, pre-production stuff of the new Amiga's then. After all you were ramming them down our throats when the C64x and VIC's were been released. Let us judge for ourselves on whether these systems are worth it.

Once Barry sends me the pics and the OK to post them, I will.  I'll take a wild guess and say by this Christmas, perhaps sooner.

[dammy]

http://www.************.net/CUSA_StrategicPartners.aspx

Nice filter job.

[dammy]

And there is only Disney and Motorola that are instantly recognisable out of that list. Also the link fails.

Wow, I would have figured any Amiga fan would have seen the partner I was referring to.   Such is life.

[vox]

Go ask your local TV or Cable company on what they are currently using.  The high end Commodore Amigas will not be sitting collecting dust but in use to make money.  Now I could see some AIO Commodore Amigas sitting on a normal person's desk being use to surf the web and play games but certainly not the high end desktops.

Well then it better should come with Windows, Lightwave, Scala etc.

In hardware only choices, reliable supplier with real support is appriciated and people (sorry companies) will not care about the Amiga name at all.

Believe its called "overplaying oneself", but let CUSA do it when they desire so. Its heavier and much riskier quest then retro exploit mission.

"From scatchy website to full professionalism in year or two"

Even new website / facebook / PR might get ordinary geeks (even not satisfied about install yourself Ubuntu) it will take much more to get those kind of customers.

[Duce]

You aren't re-inventing the wheel, Dammy.  They are building a computer, not a shuttle to Mars.  Only so many ways to skin a cat, and there's 1000 companies making high end workstations.

You'll be taking readily available, off the shelf items and jamming them into fancy cases, just like every other high end vendor.  It's not rocket science, it's not the 1990's, and you won't be pulling an SGI and flip the industry arse over teakettle with innovation.

[CritAnime]

Dammy I suppose you talking about NewTek then.

[commodorejohn]

Undoubtedly. But Barry's definitions are highly variable, I mean he refers to the factory contracted to do C64x assembly as "our factory in China," for God's sake. So it's possible "strategic partners" in Barry-speak means "companies that I've talked to about giving us a bulk discount."

And if I'm wrong, I charge him and/or his lackeys with explaining what the acutal deal is rather than just going "wait and see."

[CritAnime]

Unless he is going for the "well they were once closely tied with Commodore Amiga's. So now I have the Amiga brand they are now closely tied with me." *insert barry grin*

Meh I dunno. I am starting to think this is all a diversion tactic and really he has his sights set on the Spectrum name. Make us all think he has the Amiga's in production then WHAM! Welcome Commodore ZXX Spectrum.

Remember the extra X means extra money.

[Tripitaka]

Jeez...only in OS4 land is ineffectiveness and obsolescence considered a plus.

Couldn't resist an OS4 troll comment even in a thread that has sod all to do with it.....

[Tripitaka]

I reckon the new CUSA Amigas are Tricaster + Jetway mombo based with C= OS. Only time will tell.....
....I still hate them.