Another Deneb production run?

[alexh]

Michael Boehmer of E3B told me there cannot be another run of Deneb because he and Chris Hodges have fallen out over something.

I don't know the details (and I don't want to, it is a personal matter and should stay between them), I've talked to both guys over the years and both are really nice people so I'm sure it must be something they cannot get past.

The result is that Michael can no longer license Poseidon. Without a software stack he cannot sell Deneb.

As we all know, "Silicon without software is just sand" and so Deneb is gone

[stachu100]

That's really bad news. :-(

[freqmax]

Maybe users could cooperate to write their own USB stack which could be used with Michaels hardware?

[Matt_H]

Maybe users could cooperate to write their own USB stack which could be used with Michaels hardware?

Poseidon is open source under AROS, minus a few drivers. Would just need to backport that.

[TheBilgeRat]

Ah well.  Its sad, but I seem to put more and more weight on hopefully NAtami making it to prime time.  Mainly in the hopes that I can finally snag some older hardware at less than "bend you over a chair" prices.

[amigadave]

Anyone care to translate the interview with Chris Hodges and comments by E3B from the link above.  Google Translate did not do a very good job translating from German to English, or they were talking in code that I don't understand.

Also, why does Chris Hodges seem to have problems with hardware developers?

[LoadWB]

Michael Boehmer of E3B told me there cannot be another run of Deneb because he and Chris Hodges have fallen out over something.

I don't know the details (and I don't want to, it is a personal matter and should stay between them), I've talked to both guys over the years and both are really nice people so I'm sure it must be something they cannot get past.

The result is that Michael can no longer license Poseidon. Without a software stack he cannot sell Deneb.

As we all know, "Silicon without software is just sand" and so Deneb is gone

It aggravates me how many developers in the Amiga community cannot seem to get along.

Ok, so E3B cannot license Poseidon; why can't the end user license it for themselves?

[freqmax]

Also, why does Chris Hodges seem to have problems with hardware developers?

Maybe it's Michael that have a problem with software developers?

You simple don't know what's up. Better leave it at that until we know. The only thing we know now is that we don't know the complete picture.

Anyway!

If only a few drivers is missing, then i should be easy to fix a working solution ?

[amigadave]

Maybe it's Michael that have a problem with software developers?

You simple don't know what's up. Better leave it at that until we know. The only thing we know now is that we don't know the complete picture.

Anyway!

If only a few drivers is missing, then i should be easy to fix a working solution ?

I would agree with you if Michael from E3B had problems before that stopped him working with other software developers, but I have not seen any such examples reported.  Chris Hodges on the other hand has had disputes with at least one other hardware company, if not more (which seemed to be quite justified in my opinion) in the past and it just makes me wonder why this pattern has repeated itself.  I am not laying the blame on Chris Hodges, but when the same, or similar problem occurs between himself and multiple hardware developers, it does raise questions.

[freqmax]

Or hardware companies have a business culture that clash with software development mindset.

I think the focus should rather be on fixing a solution than anything else.

[LoadWB]

Or hardware companies have a business culture that clash with software development mindset.

I think the focus should rather be on fixing a solution than anything else.

Has anyone tried anaiis USB stack with the Deneb?

[Senex]

Ok, so E3B cannot license Poseidon; why can't the end user license it for themselves?

In our (german) interview Christoph already linked to, it has been made clear that there will be no business relation between PCP and E3B anymore, including for example third parties sub-licensing the Deneb card.

Therefore also end users buying Deneb and Poseidon separately themselves would cause E3B earning money thanks to PCP. Thus the only solution could be finding a comparably high-skilled developer like Chris Hodges writing Deneb drivers for an AmigaOS-backported version of Poseidon for AROS.

[Xanxi]

Crazy! Why is there always a problem with USB on the amiga?
We should react with a petition to settle an arrangement between Chris and E3B.
The Deneb is the best amiga expansion ever, not only a USB board, but also a cheap network card, cheap soundcard and clockport expander.
I only own one, but i would like another and there is still a lot of potential sales.

[spirantho]

Thus the only solution could be finding a comparably high-skilled developer like Chris Hodges writing Deneb drivers for an AmigaOS-backported version of Poseidon for AROS.

That's not going to happen if there's custom hardware though; can't get a datasheet on an FPGA program, so can't write a driver.
The only hope is if the custom bit is transparent to the controller chip. If it is then I think I smell a bounty....

[platon42]

Crazy! Why is there always a problem with USB on the amiga?
We should react with a petition to settle an arrangement between Chris and E3B.
The Deneb is the best amiga expansion ever, not only a USB board, but also a cheap network card, cheap soundcard and clockport expander.
I only own one, but i would like another and there is still a lot of potential sales.

Come on. Just leave it alone. There is nothing that will ever bridge that gap again. Regarding potential sales justifying a third Deneb production run: Looking at the figures of the last few years: Nope, I don't think so.

Just why do you think there won't be anything new on the horizon?

(PS: I don't think that using my track record of disputes in the past qualifies for judging who did what wrong in the E3B scenario.)

[Robert17]

@platon42

I'm sorry to hear that the relationship between yourself and E3B Has broken down - but good for you for remaining neutral and not turning this thread into a who said what game.

I was wondering, does this new move also affect users of the Subway, which is also an E3B Product?

Robert.