AmigaOne 500

[spihunter]

Maybe C-USA should buy some of these cases, put a cheap PC motherboard in them, and call them the "Commodore Amiga 500 NG" and sell them for $900........

[freqmax]

I think people should remember that ACube put those Minimigs on sale for 129 EUR. That helps a lot.

As for the AmigaOne 500, it's likely not even Amiga 500 compatible as the name would lead one to believe. However for persons that doesn't have time, but have money. Or persons just plain technically inept to use a screwdriver and install OS etc. It's probably a nice choice if you like everything served. Point being it's a service, not a playfield changer like Minimig or FPGA Arcade.

Custom electronics is expensive. But most of these solutions seems to be commodity computing platforms that gives way to little in the MIPS/money factor. Even if the PPC is a nice CPU.

[Hattig]

For such a limited market be happy that the system is only that price.

it's just a shame that the case is so bland... I guess we all want a thick beigey plastic wedge with AMIGA embossed onto it.

[commodorejohn]

Oh come on, why is everyone so negative? Sure, its not the best looking case, but it is not *that* bad! Just be thankful we are getting new hardware and software, its 2011 and still people are developing stuff. The least we can do is show some respect.

Be thankful that they're offering an $1100 board in a $40 case for $1400? I think not. This notion of "you should accept anything anyone offers you because at least it's new development" is the plague of the Amiga community.

If all you want is a pretty case, go to Apple!

Funny you should mention, because you know what? I got a quad-core 2.5GHz Power Mac G5 (PPC 970, a processor which kicks the ass of the Sam's PPC 440 six ways from Sunday even clock-for-clock and core-for-core,) with 4GB of DDR2, for ~$500. That's a bit over 1/3 the cost of this, has a [strike]prettier[/strike] less ugly case, and kicks the unholy **** out of a Sam460ex. Of course, it won't run OS4 because Hyperion are stubborn nincompoops, but that's okay, either of the other NG Amigoid OSes will run on it, as well as OSX or Linux.

However for persons that doesn't have time, but have money. Or persons just plain technically inept to use a screwdriver and install OS etc. It's probably a nice choice if you like everything served.

If you don't have the 10 minutes it takes to install a motherboard in a case or (is this even possible?) can't figure out how to put it in place and use screws to secure it, you should not be using a computer.

it's just a shame that the case is so bland... I guess we all want a thick beigey plastic wedge with AMIGA embossed onto it.

Yes.

[mechy]

Wasnt this in those old 70's samsonite luggage commercials where the gorilla is tossing them around to prove how tough they were?:roflmao:

[eliyahu]

Be thankful that they're offering an $1100 board in a $40 case for $1400? I think not. This notion of "you should accept anything anyone offers you because at least it's new development" is the plague of the Amiga community.

with the current exchange rate it's closer to $1200USD, but yeah, it's pricey.

Funny you should mention, because you know what? I got a quad-core 2.5GHz Power Mac G5 (PPC 970, a processor which kicks the ass of the Sam's PPC 440 six ways from Sunday even clock-for-clock and core-for-core,) with 4GB of DDR2, for ~$500. That's a bit over 1/3 the cost of this, has a [strike]prettier[/strike] less ugly case, and kicks the unholy **** out of a Sam460ex. Of course, it won't run OS4 because Hyperion are stubborn nincompoops, but that's okay, either of the other NG Amigoid OSes will run on it, as well as OSX or Linux.

it's a great machine, no question. doesn't look like support for MOS is coming any time soon, though. as i'm sure the MOS developers can tell you, supporting the G5 system architecture is not exactly trivial. :lol:

besides: hyperion believes in a platform that is 'uniquely' amiga. whether the SAM fits the bill or not is anyone's call. darn shame, though. just from the standpoint of price/performance supporting power macs seems a no-brainer. well, if, that is, you aren't interesting in supporting your own hardware ecosystem, which i think hyperion are.

If you don't have the 10 minutes it takes to install a motherboard in a case or (is this even possible?) can't figure out how to put it in place and use screws to secure it, you should not be using a computer.

:laughing:

i think the real issue here is that hyperion is now establishing the amigaone brand as the family of amigaOS computers. it's nice to see the brand unified. beyond that, it's just a SAM in a third-party case.

by the way, you planning on coming to amiwest next month?

-- eliyahu

[freqmax]

If you don't have the 10 minutes it takes to install a motherboard in a case or (is this even possible?) can't figure out how to put it in place and use screws to secure it, you should not be using a computer.

It's a feature not a problem .. !

[Daedalus]

@commodorejohn

Having worked in a shop selling computer parts for a couple of years, I can testify that there are *plenty* of people who are too technically incompetent to be trusted with a screwdriver. The amount of machines we've had returned because people tried upgrading the CPU or motherboard, only to break pins off the chips, or not put spacers behind the board, or even fitting the CPU heatsink with insulating foam sticky pads. Buying as a complete package isn't for me, or for a lot of people, but there are many people out there who would benefit from just being handed a working machine.

As for this particular machine - if you don't like it, don't buy it. Run MorphOS or AROS on your dual G5 Mac and be happy with that. That's obviously not the market Hyperion want, and at the end of the day it's their decision. Let them at it, if they fail because of it, they fail. It's not like the MorphOS fans will be affected by that in any way, so why do they really care?

For what it's worth, it's not an $1100 board in a $40 case for $1400. It might not be a great deal, but it's nowhere near as bad as you're making it out to be. Basically, you're looking at €200 for the package over the motherboard. So that's a case, PSU, 2GB RAM, optical drive, SATA controller board, hard drive and mouse for €200. Probably not €200 worth of stuff, but much, much more than $40.

[takemehomegrandma]

At least we have seen a new Amiga this year

:lol:

[takemehomegrandma]

hyperion is now establishing the amigaone brand as the family of amigaOS4 computers.

There, I corrected it for your...

[commodorejohn]

\it's a great machine, no question. doesn't look like support for MOS is coming any time soon, though. as i'm sure the MOS developers can tell you, supporting the G5 system architecture is not exactly trivial. :lol:

Well, Piru's posted shots of MOS running on a previous-model G5, don't know how that project's coming along though. Not a tragedy for me, MOS isn't really my thing, but it'd be nice for people to have the option.

well, if, that is, you aren't interesting in supporting your own hardware ecosystem, which i think hyperion are.

And this, of course, is the answer: they don't really care what their customers want or what would be best for the community, they're out to push their line of (expensive, underpowered) products come hell or high water...

by the way, you planning on coming to amiwest next month?

Aw, I wish, but unfortunately I have way too many financial obligations and not enough income to finance a cross-country road-trip...

Having worked in a shop selling computer parts for a couple of years, I can testify that there are *plenty* of people who are too technically incompetent to be trusted with a screwdriver.

I know, I know, I just think they should be sent off to remedial computer education

As for this particular machine - if you don't like it, don't buy it. Run MorphOS or AROS on your dual G5 Mac and be happy with that. That's obviously not the market Hyperion want, and at the end of the day it's their decision. Let them at it, if they fail because of it, they fail. It's not like the MorphOS fans will be affected by that in any way, so why do they really care?

Well, obviously they're free to run their business as they see fit - but I don't see how that puts them above criticism. I wouldn't be buying an OS4 product anyway, but that doesn't mean I don't feel for the people who would like one but could really use a cheaper product, and get led on by marketing hype to speculate about this upcoming "new" product only to find out that it's the same damn thing as the old one in a pre-built configuration in an ugly case.

[rollmeter]

It's amazing see that neither Acube / Aeon nor Hyperion Entertainment haven´t learned anything in all these years. Amiga Inc made a really bad job, but they are taking the same way ...

How can you try to sell obsolete technology at these prices (Acube)? How can you announce a new computer 2 years before is ready (Aeon)? How can you sell an overpriced operating system that doesn´t has new software and it´s so limited (Hyperion)?

I think they should change this to be successfull. What would be a good way?

A single company developing software and hardware.

[rvo_nl]

Funny you should mention, because you know what? I got a quad-core 2.5GHz Power Mac G5 (PPC 970,e

So its in a pretty case AND its faster AND it has a modern operating system. You think I didnt know that? Again, if that is really all you want, I dont understand what you do on an Amiga forum. You and I know Amiga offers a lot more in other fields.
 
Besides all that, if you dont think its worth the money, just dont buy one! No-one is forcing you to buy this machine. Hey, Im not going to buy one..
 
Still Im saying we should be glad for OS4 and glad for people having the courage to sell new hardware / cases. Its not easy in a market like this, where everyone seems to have his own opinion on things. For me that explains the price tag.

[klx300r]

i could go with another case personally but the important thing here to note is that the AmigaOne brand is now solidified with both ACube and A-Eon for future years :drink:

[commodorejohn]

So its in a pretty case AND its faster AND it has a modern operating system. You think I didnt know that? Again, if that is really all you want, I dont understand what you do on an Amiga forum. You and I know Amiga offers a lot more in other fields.

Well, what more is there? A Power Mac is as related to the Amiga hardware-wise as any of the Sam boards, faster, and cheaper, and eventually it'll run MorphOS if you want an Amigoid OS to complete the experience. (And already runs AROS hosted on OSX or Linux.) It's as authentic as any OS4 setup, which is to say "kinda-sorta." If I want True Amiga, I've got my 3000.
 

Besides all that, if you dont think its worth the money, just dont buy one! No-one is forcing you to buy this machine. Hey, Im not going to buy one..

Of course nobody's forcing me to buy one, but I thumb my nose at this "hey, if you don't like it you should just shut up and pretend not to have an opinion" argument.

[rvo_nl]

Well, then this machine clearly is not meant for you (or me, for that matter). That is fine. I just couldnt bear seeing a complete page of comments slagging something off that IMO should have deserved a much warmer welcome.

As for your first question, like I said, seems we all have a different opinion on this. For me, and for various reasons, a true Amiga is the one displayed in my sig, although I applaud all (hardware-wise) efforts and I really like OS4.