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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #44 on: August 12, 2011, 02:04:17 PM »
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MorphOS runs on limited variety of Mac models that are extremely hard to find today. The Macs models that MorphOS can run on today are slow and obsolete by current computing standards as well.
Hard to find? Where the are you looking? I'll give you a hint, GainSaver has a later-model Power Mac G4 for $40 after rebates.

As for "obsolete," certainly no more so than the SAM boards, and the jury's still out on whether the X1000 will outperform the Power Mac G5 (which can be had for as low as $25...)

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I am getting so sick of the Hyperion bashing some people blurt out on every thread they can. If you keep bitching at those that are trying you'll end up with no one doing anything for the Amiga at all.... geeesh.
People have been looking for something like this for years, don't see how blatantly ignoring the interests of the potential users counts as "trying..."

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x64 is the only platform for the future. That is why the Amiga is dying out. People with their heads in the ppc cloud. Times change. I was the biggest fan of ppc but it's dead. It's an ex parrot. Get over it and wise up. And don't start going on about aros ffs its not the same. Its useless. Of course I realise Amiga will never go x64 because that would make too much sense.
Let's see...my Power Mac G5 still exists, still runs like new, and is fairly competitive performance-wise with an average Core 2 Duo system, was available affordably from a refurb retailer in quantity, to say nothing of less-powerful cheaper models, and the PPC architecture remains in use in all three current-gen consoles and at least one next-gen console...yeah, I can see how that's dead.

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PPC is dead? Someone best tell Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo so they can use something else in their games consoles. Or doesn't that count?
It doesn't count because it doesn't support his argument ;D
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #45 on: August 12, 2011, 02:08:37 PM »
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x64 is the only platform for the future. That is why the Amiga is dying out. People with their heads in the ppc cloud. Times change. I was the biggest fan of ppc but it's dead. It's an ex parrot. Get over it and wise up.  And don't start going on about aros ffs its not the same. Its useless.  Of course I realise Amiga will never go x64 because that would make too much sense.
Let's see...my Power Mac G5 still exists, still runs like new, and is fairly competitive performance-wise with an average Core 2 Duo system, was available affordably from a refurb retailer in quantity, to say nothing of less-powerful cheaper models, and the PPC architecture remains in use in all three current-gen consoles and at least one next-gen console...yeah, I can see how that's dead.

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PPC is dead? Someone best tell Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo so they can use something else in their games consoles. Or doesn't that count?
It doesn't count because it doesn't support his argument ;D
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #46 on: August 12, 2011, 02:09:42 PM »
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Hard to find? Where the are you looking?

drHirudo lives in Bulgaria. Hope that explains things.
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #47 on: August 12, 2011, 02:12:04 PM »
@tension

Does Amiga OS4 run state of the art demo natively?. Didn't think so, next.

@framiga

I could assure you than my 32 mb vram mac mini is faster than any sam available right now.
Care to elaborate?.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #48 on: August 12, 2011, 02:16:30 PM »
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Yep, tried tested and confirmed here. If you are running it on a classic, Paula etc. works as before. If running it on a "next gen", you need "The Maestrix" which provides a surrogate library to redirect OM's 16-bit Maestro audio through AHI.

The latter probably works on MorphOS too if anybody would care to test it.


Octamed works fine on OS4 with "The Maestrix" installed. I still haven't been able to get it to work on MorphOS.
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #49 on: August 12, 2011, 02:18:52 PM »
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drHirudo lives in Bulgaria. Hope that explains things.
Okay, that clears things up a bit. I'm still a little surprised they would be that hard to come by, but huh.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #50 on: August 12, 2011, 02:23:29 PM »
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P.S. Your link sucks. Most of the listed models won't run MOS anyway. Neither they ship internationally.


Really? I've looked through the first page and haven't found a SINGLE machine that MorphOS 2.7 would not boot on (excluding spare parts which got mixed up there obviously, and yes, the Cube boots too, although it's a bit limited). Stop confusing other users here, thank you.

http://computers.shop.ebay.com/Apple-Desktops-/111418/i.html?Processor%2520Type=PowerPC%2520G4&Product%2520Family=PowerMac&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C2500&LH_PrefLoc=2&_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5216&rt=nc&_dcat=111418&_ipg=200&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1514

There, this should give you internaltional shipping.
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #51 on: August 12, 2011, 02:34:59 PM »
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Really? I've looked through the first page and haven't found a SINGLE machine that MorphOS 2.7 would not boot on (excluding spare parts which got mixed up there obviously, and yes, the Cube boots too, although it's a bit limited). Stop confusing other users here, thank you.


What?  Does a cube get passed the Quark shell with MOS 2.7 and boot into desktop ?!?

I've got an expanded cube (1.2 gig, maxxed ram, Radeon Graphics card) that I've been saving up for use with MOS since I've no longer have any PPC mac software.  I don't think I tried 2.7 yet...
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #52 on: August 12, 2011, 02:37:42 PM »
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What?  Does a cube get passed the Quark shell with MOS 2.7 and boot into desktop ?!?

I've got an expanded cube (1.2 gig, maxxed ram, Radeon Graphics card) that I've been saving up for use with MOS since I've no longer have any PPC mac software.  I don't think I tried 2.7 yet...


Yeah, although like I said it is a bit limited, since there's no audio and afair the network driver doesn't fully support Cube w/o some manual hacking. But otherwise the thing should just boot since 2.7. Do give it a try.
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #53 on: August 12, 2011, 02:53:51 PM »
@jacadcaps

One has to be fair, most (well the 3 I looked into) of those units listed either don't name a GFX card or specify NVidia.

Finding one with a suitable ATI or a seperate MAC-GFX card requires a bit more effort (but can still be done easily).
1. Make an announcment.
2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
6. Deny that you have ever announced it
7. Blame someone else
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #54 on: August 12, 2011, 02:59:00 PM »
I finally understood the AOS 4 point.
They think that Amiga OS must run on original HW designed for it. That's what made Amiga what it was back in the late 80's.
It might be a "sacrilege" running Amiga OS on an "OLD" hardware. Even if the newly designed HW is less powerful and cost 3x times a dual liquid-cooled G5 Power Mac.

They probably know that just a small group of people will pay a lot of money for the new HW. But maybe the difference in revenue for including support for old macs it's not worth going against their principles...

Those are just my 0.001 cents! :)
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #55 on: August 12, 2011, 03:02:11 PM »
Jeepers H Crackers! I'm getting pretty sick of threads instantly becoming derailed and becoming debates over which NG Amiga OS is best, which in turn quickly spiral down into stupid tit-for-tat arguments we've all seen a hundred times before and are all familiar with. The thread title is obviously OS4.x focussed - why is it that difficult for that just to stay on track??

I think I'll give this site a wide berth for a few days, see if all the muppets can calm down and stop rehashing the same tired arguments. Before I go though, here's my take: Yes, I'd buy OS4.x for my PowerMac G5, as it's not really practical as an everyday computer for me any more, and MorphOS doesn't support it. I've loaned it long-term to a friend while I decide whether I want to give it away, keep it for OS4.x/MorphOS, or scrap it.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #56 on: August 12, 2011, 03:06:23 PM »
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Really? I've looked through the first page and haven't found a SINGLE machine that MorphOS 2.7 would not boot on (excluding spare parts which got mixed up there obviously, and yes, the Cube boots too, although it's a bit limited). Stop confusing other users here, thank you.

You tested them? Or someone from the MOS team? Theoretically it may, but you probably know that practice not always collide with theory, especially in the Amiga world. What about the case where no Radeon chip is present for graphics?

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #57 on: August 12, 2011, 03:09:07 PM »
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I finally understood the AOS 4 point.
They think that Amiga OS must run on original HW designed for it. That's what made Amiga what it was back in the late 80's.
It might be a "sacrilege" running Amiga OS on an "OLD" hardware. Even if the newly designed HW is less powerful and cost 3x times a dual liquid-cooled G5 Power Mac.
3x, hell! I got my G5 Quad for about 1/4 the supposed asking price, before the rebate.
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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #58 on: August 12, 2011, 03:19:30 PM »
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You tested them? Or someone from the MOS team? Theoretically it may, but you probably know that practice not always collide with theory, especially in the Amiga world. What about the case where no Radeon chip is present for graphics?


Yes, we or our betatesters tested all G4 PowerMac models. It's not "theoretically", they really do work. I'm sorry if your Amiga world experience is different, perhaps it's time to try MorphOS out then to be able to change your mind. Radeons are relatively easy to find if the Mac you want to buy doesn't have one - after all, it's a replaceable component.
 

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Re: Interest in buying a Mac version of Amiga OS4.x
« Reply #59 from previous page: August 12, 2011, 03:38:37 PM »
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Radeons are relatively easy to find if the Mac you want to buy doesn't have one - after all, it's a replaceable component.

Haha, my Mac does not have Radeon. Can you replace it for me?