ChromaKey+, SuperGen+, DCTV, & RGB Converter. & V3.1 RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter.

[Heiroglyph]

If you are only using one camera, you can still use these without a time base corrector or blackburst.

Cameras have an inherently stable signal when they are live.  They don't when playing back from tape though.

If you have a digital camera, like DV, HDV or one of the SD card based ones, you can usually even use them even from recorded footage.  They don't have the same problems with the tape mechanism skewing the video timing.

You don't need anything else to get to tape, the output of the genlock will be your final output, so that should go to the tape and your genlock has very high quality output.

[Heiroglyph]

I remember this was also a legal thing in the US NTSC standard.   I had to re-produce a set of commercials because the black was too dark.

NTSC black is 7.5 IRE.  If you go darker, you risk it being interpreted like a black burst and throwing off the timing.

Same on the whites.  If you've ever watched cheap local cable commercials and wondered why the audio had a loud buzz when they show a title, it's because they used bright colors that are too bright.

The television is supposed to be adjusted to make these look correct.

At one point stations cared about quality and would refuse tapes like those, but these days they'll show anything you're willing to pay them to show.

[Motormouth]

NTSC black is 7.5 IRE.  If you go darker, you risk it being interpreted like a black burst and throwing off the timing.

Same on the whites.  If you've ever watched cheap local cable commercials and wondered why the audio had a loud buzz when they show a title, it's because they used bright colors that are too bright.

The television is supposed to be adjusted to make these look correct.

At one point stations cared about quality and would refuse tapes like those, but these days they'll show anything you're willing to pay them to show.

The part about the white (and especially hot reds) would make load buzzing and bleed out colors.  The blacks 7.5 IRE allowed "viewer" and the equipment to "detect" a signal.  I was using the new Umatic SP editing bay with the black burst still set on 0 IRE (Japanese NTSC black, or real black).  I should have looked at the Oscilloscope would have quickly told me I was wrong.  As for legality of black the television station could have gotten FCC violations, back in the NTSC days.  Luckly, we found this out quickly.  I only lost about 4 hours time.  My boss, a 30 year television vet, at the time was very nice about it.

[XDelusion]

Still have not had a chance to play with my toys. :/

In the mean time I ordered one of these...

http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/videomaster1200

Now I am desperately seeking a Colour Master to go with it.

[AmigaPixel]

Now this what got me into the Amiga in the first place not so much the games although burned a many hours Dungeon Master/II and Shadow of the Beast

"Now in regards to the 2000. You say that the Toaster can do a 24bit output? If that is the case, are there any major advantage to having a Toaster 4000 over a Toaster 2000?"

The toaster 4000 takes advantage of the AGA chipset in certain repects. I think for example you can view 256000 color real time previews of rendered Lightwave animations. You can still use it inside an A2000 I have one in my A2000, I am stuck with 1 meg chip ram but you really need 2 meg chip ram to fully take advantage the Toaster 4000. The Toaster 2000 might be a little more forgiving in that regard, however I remember most Toaster 2000/Amiga 2000 systems that were being used for serious work had been upgraded to 2meg chip ram. The Toaster 2000 can not be connected to a Flyer board like the Toaster 4K.

[AmigaPixel]

The part about the white (and especially hot reds) would make load buzzing and bleed out colors.  The blacks 7.5 IRE allowed "viewer" and the equipment to "detect" a signal.  I was using the new Umatic SP editing bay with the black burst still set on 0 IRE (Japanese NTSC black, or real black).  I should have looked at the Oscilloscope would have quickly told me I was wrong.  As for legality of black the television station could have gotten FCC violations, back in the NTSC days.  Luckly, we found this out quickly.  I only lost about 4 hours time.  My boss, a 30 year television vet, at the time was very nice about it.

I forgot about all of that "The blacks 7.5 IRE" I used to work for a division of Public Broadcasting station at a University that handled University class broadcasting and recording. I would have to do quick check of the Oscilloscope before we would go live.

[AmigaPixel]

I remember what we hated the most is shirts with black and white stripes ! Especially running vertically, ouch! And of course keeping those reds and greens from bleeding. Those production people today have got it easy with every thing being digital.

[AmigaPixel]

Is he the fellow in Australia making the Amiga RGB to S-Video adapters?

[XDelusion]

Is he the fellow in Australia making the Amiga RGB to S-Video adapters?

Ya, I do believe he's an Aussie.

[AmigaPixel]

@XDelusion

Well put!

"That's what I'm thinking! More people need to do some productive stuff with their old Amigas to show the world a taste of what could be done on those "old outdated" machines.

In fact it could go as far as showing people exactly why the Amiga is to blame for nearly every piece of tech that we take for granted now a days. Modern computers, how they work, and how they are put together. Amiga did it first in soooooo many ways!"

[AmigaPixel]

@Motormouth

Did the Toaster 4000 improve some what on this?

"Yes the toaster 2000 Luma is based only on intensity. yes it was not very good, lots of key leaking.

[AmigaPixel]

The DCTV RGB converter was built specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..

I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..

desiv

That is the way I recall it being promoted. However I never owned a Supergen or any other genlock device so I am not completely sure.

[magnetic]

THe point of the RGB converter is exactly what it sounds like. It converts the DCTV to an RGB out for use with Genlocks, RGB monitors, recorders, projectors, etc etc etc

the DCTV without said adaptor puts out COMPOSITE video only..

BTW I'm looking for a DCTV RGB adaptor if anyone wants to sell or trade theirs.

[AmigaPixel]

@XDelusion

You got me all excited started on this again! Now I really can't wait to fix up my A2000 so I can finally play with that Toaster 4000. I wished I still had my A1200 or even my old a500 to connect my DCTV again. You can't use the DCTV with the Toaster both installed on the same machine. You can risk blowing one or all three from the way I remember.

You should not need a timebase corrector, if your video sources are mainly digital and not analog. The timebase corrector was really needed back in those days with the different anlalog sources. Video cameras and recording decks would often have slightly different internal timmings.

I don't know if there would be an issue if you used the DCTV out from one Amiga into theToaster input inside another Amiga. While the other source for example might be the S-video out from your PC laptop. I want to try that.

[AmigaPixel]

THe point of the RGB converter is exactly what it sounds like. It converts the DCTV to an RGB out for use with Genlocks, RGB monitors, recorders, projectors, etc etc etc

the DCTV without said adaptor puts out COMPOSITE video only..

BTW I'm looking for a DCTV RGB adaptor if anyone wants to sell or trade theirs.

 Right! I would mind having one of those too!

[XDelusion]

I payed a pretty penny for my DCTV RGB adapter, though I'm sure there will be more on Ebay and for cheaper sooner or later.