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Alright, I now own a ChromaKey +, a SuperGen +, DCTV, and DCTV RGB Converter. I have no manuals except for the Chroma Key and DCTV.

I'd like to plug all of this in together, but am unsure of what order. Likewise I'm not familiar with the software, is there anyone else with this hardware combination that might be able to help out? Also if anyone has software for use with these components and or manuals that they could scan, that would be a major boon for me!

Thankx in advance!

P.S. I own one of Amiga Maniac's V3.1 RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter's, if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!
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Can't help you out with any of the rest of your setup, but the DCTV alone has a straight through RGB 23pin connector for you to connect any of the other items to between the Amiga and the DCTV and the monitor.  I have not used my DCTV RGB converter in a while, so I can't remember what effect it will have on your chain of devices, but it sounds like you are going to have one hell of a mess connecting all of those devices to your 23pin RGB port on the back of your Amiga.

Good luck!
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.. if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!
Don't have most of that, so can't help too much..

I can tell you that I had my DCTV plugged into the Amiga 500, and the DCTV RGB converter into that, and then my Amigamaniac (earlier version) SVideo adapter plugged into that, and I could see 24-bit images via SVideo that way...

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p.s.  Would be kual if you could take the time to scan the DCTV manuals and submit them to the Amiga manual website ( http://amiga-manuals.npage.de/ )..  That site doesn't have the DCTV manuals yet..  Just throwing that out there.. ;-)
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So you did not have to build a power adapter for Amiga Maniac's adapter?

Thankx for the manul page link, I was not aware of that one, though it seems the links within the page are often dead. :/

P.S. I recently discovered this site:

Installer's Heaven.

http://l8r.net/install/
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So you did not have to build a power adapter for Amiga Maniac's adapter?
No, it pulls it's power from the RGB port.  I guess it gets passed thru the DCTV stuff fine..
At least it worked for me..  I have the DCTV hooked up to my 1084s now, but I'll see if I can test that again (at least composite I should be able to test from Amigamaniac's adapter which would tell me it's getting power) this weekend.

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Thankx for the manual page link, I was not aware of that one, though it seems the links within the page are often dead. :/
Josh, who runs it posts on EAB frequently, so I think he's still working on it..
His last reply to the thread on EAB was May 22nd, so not too long ago..

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Installer's Heaven.  http://l8r.net/install/
That's a great site..
I tried to upload my driver disk for my Applied Engineering High Density floppy drive to it recently tho, and the e-mails are bouncing.. ;-(

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No, it pulls it's power from the RGB port.  I guess it gets passed thru the DCTV stuff fine..
At least it worked for me..  I have the DCTV hooked up to my 1084s now, but I'll see if I can test that again (at least composite I should be able to test from Amigamaniac's adapter which would tell me it's getting power) this weekend.


Josh, who runs it posts on EAB frequently, so I think he's still working on it..
His last reply to the thread on EAB was May 22nd, so not too long ago..


That's a great site..
I tried to upload my driver disk for my Applied Engineering High Density floppy drive to it recently tho, and the e-mails are bouncing.. ;-(

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Ya, my e-mail just bounced too. :(
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Another Hardware driver page:

http://amihelp.0catch.com/drivers.html
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Alright, I now own a ChromaKey +, a SuperGen +, DCTV, and DCTV RGB Converter. I have no manuals except for the Chroma Key and DCTV.

I'd like to plug all of this in together, but am unsure of what order. Likewise I'm not familiar with the software, is there anyone else with this hardware combination that might be able to help out? Also if anyone has software for use with these components and or manuals that they could scan, that would be a major boon for me!

Thankx in advance!

P.S. I own one of Amiga Maniac's V3.1 RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter's, if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!

Ahh this brings back my Television Production Days (20 odd years ago).....
The order actually depends on what you want to do.
The First item you would want is the DCTV then probably the DCTV RGB converter.  After that it really depends.

Unless you are a weatherperson or a movie producer the Genlock, the SuperGen+, will probably get more use than the Chromakey.

The Genlock is designed to over lay graphics onto video.  The Genlock takes the incoming video and usually puts this the amiga's background palette position zero (this is usually black, however does not have to be) and overlays the amiga remaining graphics over the video.  The output has both the video signal and the overlaid amiga graphics.  With the SuperGen, you should be able to fade in and out both the overlaid graphics and the input video. Play around with the sliders, it will become obvious what they do.

I suggest trying the SuperGen+ directly on the amiga without the DCTV just to get an idea of how it works.   A good program would be Deluxe Paint III, IV, or V in 16 color mode Overscanned High-Res/Lace.  Or try a Broadcast Titer program.  The SuperGen does not need any software in-order to run, all the basic controls are on the Genlock itself.

Back in the day, the production house I worked in had two Magni 4004S and 4010 control boxes, both on A2000s.  These were rock solid production quality units.  We used these Genlocks primary for titling and occasionally for a digitized and/or Deluxe Paint drawn logo or graphic.

The ChromaKey+ is really different beast all together.  It takes a video stream take a specific part of the chroma "color" signal and "keys" in another signal.  The most common example is the local weather.  There is usually a bright blue or bright green screen, the weather map is "keyed" over the bright blue or bright green signal.  You probably don't have a blue or green screen in your house.

We had a high end Chroma Key system, where we could control the keyed color and the width of the keyed notch, in our production switcher.  I once made a video where I keyed out the actors' skin and swirled in a colorful pin wheel as the keyed in signal.  It made the actors' skin dance with color.  To say the least everyone either liked or disliked the effect.

From the Amiga Hardware Database it looks like your ChromaKey+ has a genlock pass through.
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/chromakeyplus

As for software, like the genlock, you probably don't need any software, for basic use.

I would really doubt you would need to use the Chromakey+ and the SuperGen+ at the same time.  If you did, you would probably want to put them on separate amigas.  Why would one want to Key in and Genlock in the same computer signal at the same time?

Note:  With both of these systems you really need some source video.

I do own a DCTV, but not the DCTV RGB converter, but I would guess it would work with the SuperGen+ and ChromaKey+ just like the amiga would.

As for the RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter, You probably would not need this on a system with a genlock as the genlock itself can act as an RGB to NTSC adapter (I don't know about PAL you will need to look at the specs of your genlock)
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But I DO have a blue screen! That's what I built up this collection for. :)
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The Chromakey requires the genlock and you can bypass the chromakey when not in use.

There's no reason not to have those two connected at once except complexity.

I don't have any definitive knowledge of how the DCTV fits in, but I'd suspect that you'd put it on the Amiga first, then the RGB converter, then the Chromakey, then the genlock and finally an RGB monitor if needed.

That will probably stick out a good 6 inches plus cable, so be really careful.

I think this will allow you to put Amiga titles over video and key people over Amiga or DCTV images.

I'm just not familiar with how the DCTV interacts with the genlock signals (it might block themm for all I know) and if the DCTV/RGB converter adds a delay that could throw off the genlock timing.
 

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I'm just not familiar with how the DCTV interacts with the genlock signals (it might block themm for all I know) and if the DCTV/RGB converter adds a delay that could throw off the genlock timing.
The DCTV RGB converter was built specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..

I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..

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In retrospect, a Toaster with the Chromakey+ can do everything this set up can do and it's a well documented combination.

If you added a Flyer, then you can even use moving backgrounds.

The Toaster can output 24bit images like the DCTV can.

Just a thought.
 

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The DCTV RGB converter was build specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..

I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..

desiv


Thanks, I owned a DCTV, but just used it alone.

By the time I was doing heavy video work, I was using a Toaster.
 

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But I DO have a blue screen! That's what I built up this collection for. :)


Cool!

Is this just for fun or do you plan to do something professionally with it? :)

The industry has changed so much since I worked in video.
I left my production job and went to grad school.  We had a toaster 2000 with a 68040, a couple a2000 some with 68000 and some with 68030s for 2-D animation, titling and overlays.  We were just getting a toaster 4000 (first AGA and only AGA machine I had seen for several years), the video flyer was not out yet.
 

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Here is a video created by the guy who sold me my hardware collection.

[youtube]9hEbs6FX0cM[/youtube]

Sadly he seems to have been stricken with amnesia and does not remember exactly how he had all the hardware set up, though he does state that he used the DCTV in conjunction with the ChromaKey and Gen Locker in order to produce this video.


Now I am not totally sure of what all I can do with my hardware aside of what I see in the video above. One thing I'd like to start out with is to use the hardware to capture stills of sculpted models and toys to convert to sprites for use in my Star Wars game. I think it would be REALLY cool to create my game as much as possible, in the same fashion as Sprite Based First Person Shooters in the early and mid 90's.

I'd also like to use my blue screen to create special effects. I.E. the trick where make it look like someone just got hit by a car....

[youtube]8B20UYQL4Hk[/youtube]

My sister went to Tom Savini's school of special effects in Pennsylvania, and I myself used to tinker with such things a lot when I was 13. Taking this into consideration I would very much like to shoot a few short films with her and my brother just for fun.

Likewise I'd really enjoy adding my self or others into old videos just to make them more psychotic.  I.E.

http://redlettermedia.com/shorts/mr-plinkett-shorts/youre-invited-the-olsen-twins-movie/#.TjeYRqlxCsk.facebook
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