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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #914 from previous page: December 11, 2015, 12:28:05 AM »
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I feel sorry for you guy's living in the US not having universal health care, you get totally rogered by big biz interests!!

LOL, you got that right.  Healthcare in this country sucks!  :(
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #915 on: December 11, 2015, 01:49:04 AM »
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Sorry for this guy having to sell his system due to a medical bill, but dang!  Look at this tower!  It must be about 9' tall, was my first thought.  ;)

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Zod Almighty!!  How many A1200's does he have in that thing?
 

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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #916 on: December 11, 2015, 01:50:34 AM »
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I feel sorry for you guy's living in the US not having universal health care, you get totally rogered by big biz interests!!


So many assumptions made in one post.
 

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« Reply #917 on: December 11, 2015, 01:57:06 AM »
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Zod Almighty!!  How many A1200's does he have in that thing?

I think it said somewhere you can fit an A1200 + a full PC motherboard in there simultaneously.  Zod is right!  ;)
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #918 on: December 11, 2015, 02:04:24 AM »
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So many assumptions made in one post.


I could be rude back but I wont - I'll put it down to you not knowing that most developed nations don't leave their citizens at the mercy of their medical corporations.
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #919 on: December 11, 2015, 04:06:54 AM »
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I could be rude back but I wont - I'll put it down to you not knowing that most developed nations don't leave their citizens at the mercy of their medical corporations.


Back at ya.
 

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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #920 on: December 11, 2015, 04:24:13 AM »
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Back at ya.


I'll just leave this here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/

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The most notable way the U.S. differs from other industrialized countries is the absence of universal health insurance coverage. Other nations ensure the accessibility of care through universal health systems and through better ties between patients and the physician practices that serve as their medical homes.

Unfortunately, many still equate “universal healthcare” with “Government run” or “single payer” healthcare. It isn’t


Don't think I'm some sort of commie, i'm not - I have private health care here in Aus cause I can afford it (every one making more that $50k p/a is encouraged too, otherwise you pay a yearly levy).

Just yesterday I took my 2 year old boy into a private hospital for a minor operation and thanks to our health insurance it cost us Zero dollars.

If we weren't well off the same operation would have been still free, we'd have just gone to a public hospital and had to wait a couple of months instead (it was elective surgery).
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #921 on: December 11, 2015, 05:08:23 AM »
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I'll just leave this here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/



Don't think I'm some sort of commie, i'm not - I have private health care here in Aus cause I can afford it (every one making more that $50k p/a is encouraged too, otherwise you pay a yearly levy).

Just yesterday I took my 2 year old boy into a private hospital for a minor operation and thanks to our health insurance it cost us Zero dollars.

If we weren't well off the same operation would have been still free, we'd have just gone to a public hospital and had to wait a couple of months instead (it was elective surgery).


We're facing the exact opposite problem.  I'm not one who gets his information from friends' Facebook wall macros or biased media archives, instead I have researched the actual industry for the past six years going back (at lesat) to the post-war 40s.  There may be a proper way to run government health care (eg "universal" health care,) but it's never been done in either a way which respects private property, or a way which doesn't cause resource shortages or dislocations of some sort.  Most "civilized" nations with centralized health care fall into one of those categories.

In the US, an implementation of any kind of centralized system will still leave people at the so-called "mercy of the corporations" because we have corporatists who run the government.  It is a disgusting incestuous relationship between government and the market, resulting in disfiguring mutations of the private market, resembling something more like a fascist economy and giving the recipients of poor care nowhere to turn and no legal recourse against failures.

Even under the HMO system, which was developed and run by the very same people who decry the system as inadequate, discriminatory, and uncaring, my own health care has been great, and I have always had the option of the type of coverage I want.  Under the "fixes" to the system I would have lost my coverage, which was far more than adequate for my existing needs (but I do like to plan for the future, being responsible and all,) lowered my monthly premiums by 10% but would have changed me from a co-pay to two deductibles: roughly $5,000 EACH for care and medications, and a whole slew of exceptions including stays (which is par for the existing Medicare system, in which the personnel may be covered, but the cost of the hospital room and stay beyond 24 hours is probably not covered.)

Thankfully that part of the law was changed, but now because I get to keep the insurance coverage which does very well for me I must pay a tax penalty because it (ready for this?) covers me TOO well.  W. T. F.

In terms of government coverage versus private coverage, the top provider for rejecting claims has been the government-run system.  The top provider for rejecting new applicants has been the government-run system.  The top provider with the most failures in care... you guessed it, the government-run system.  Leaves little doubt why our own so-called leaders exempted themselves.

In the end, it has been our government which has helped to destroy any vestige of reasonable care in this country.  Yes, "big medicine" has been part of it, but again not without fed collusion or coercion.

I'm hoping this helps you to understand our general distaste and mistrust of government-run health systems.
 

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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #922 on: December 11, 2015, 05:27:58 AM »
The biggest problem you guys have in the U.S.A. Is that your gov is no longer representing the people, the corporations have completely corrupted your democracy. See the TPP etc as an example of the gov negotiating for corporations, not people. These are the same corporations who do their absolute best to not pay their fair share of taxes in the U.S.A.

Ps it's happening here in Australia too, our conservative gov is trying to bend us over and Roger is hard atm on all sorts of things!
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #923 on: December 11, 2015, 03:15:44 PM »
Ladies and gentlemen,

Can we please get back on topic?

Or should the mods consider closing this particular thread?
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #924 on: December 11, 2015, 05:09:28 PM »
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Ladies and gentlemen,

Can we please get back on topic?

Or should the mods consider closing this particular thread?


Whoa!
Pre-election year nonsense already burbles its way into our forums.
Really guys, health care?
Why not religion again?
Or banning Muslims?

OR ridiculous eBay 'Buy It Now' postings.
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #925 on: December 11, 2015, 10:13:16 PM »
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I think it said somewhere you can fit an A1200 + a full PC motherboard in there simultaneously.  Zod is right!  ;)


Is that a Siamese System box?!?!?

Dang!! I wish i had the money.  I always wanted one of those, & Steve Jones doesn't make 'em anymore.
 

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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #926 on: December 12, 2015, 04:38:06 AM »
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The biggest problem you guys have in the U.S.A. Is that your gov is no longer representing the people, the corporations have completely corrupted your democracy. See the TPP etc as an example of the gov negotiating for corporations, not people. These are the same corporations who do their absolute best to not pay their fair share of taxes in the U.S.A.

Ps it's happening here in Australia too, our conservative gov is trying to bend us over and Roger is hard atm on all sorts of things!


You know, anytime someone from another country starts his or her statement with "the biggest problem you have in the USA" the hair on the back of my neck stands up and I brace myself for an unrealistic assessment handed down by a foreign media or government which does everything it can to show how superior that country is to the US.

But you hit the nail right on the head and drove it deep.  We have a government which rules in absolute opposition to its people, and the members of that government minimize, harass, libel, slander, and pretty much pull every dirty propaganda trick in the book against any of the people who rise in opposition.  Hence all the misinformation against several of the popular citizen movements, the largest, and most maligned, of which is the Tea Party movement.

Anyway, none of this is why we're here at AO. :pint:
 

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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #927 on: December 12, 2015, 04:55:39 AM »
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You know, anytime someone from another country starts his or her statement with "the biggest problem you have in the USA" the hair on the back of my neck stands up and I brace myself for an unrealistic assessment handed down by a foreign media or government which does everything it can to show how superior that country is to the US.

But you hit the nail right on the head and drove it deep.  We have a government which rules in absolute opposition to its people, and the members of that government minimize, harass, libel, slander, and pretty much pull every dirty propaganda trick in the book against any of the people who rise in opposition.  Hence all the misinformation against several of the popular citizen movements, the largest, and most maligned, of which is the Tea Party movement.

Anyway, none of this is why we're here at AO. :pint:


Sorry to be correct, I really like America and most Americans I've met and I can see Australia rapidly heading down the same path of Governing for Corporations, not ppl. :(
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Re: are we still sharing crazy ebay postings?
« Reply #928 on: December 12, 2015, 02:54:18 PM »
I lived most of my life in Europe, moved to the states some 10 years ago. I think I know both systems well now. When patients bash Obamacare who are otherwise medicare or medicaid patients I just shrug my shoulders and wonder what they are talking about. Most healthcare providers dont want medicare/medicaid or obamacare patients because they pay less than ie blue shield and other commercial insurers. Its about half compared to each other. On the other hand, since citizens have access to health care through insurance we have seen a surge in outpatient visits. Not a lucrative one, as explained above why. But at least the individuals who otherwise wouldnt have insurance (because they dont/cant work) now get outpatient medical specialist care, without having to run to the ER each time. This, longterm seen will cost the healthsystem less money, as most of the expenses are hospital care based. In my homecountry, healthcare insurance is mandatory. Everyone pays. If you have a job or not. If you cant afford it, the local state you live in, pays part of it (after you apply). Healthcare should be based on solidarity. The young and healthy ones pay for their older co-citizens. As a provider, I am not particular about seeing medicaid or obamacare patients (they pay the lowest) and I have to work twice as much to generate the same income and pay my employees. But I do it. Its just breathtaking, how negative propaganda influences a lot of citizens and make them bash things which are actually in their benefit. Not to digress here I will stop. My 2 cents.
 

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« Reply #929 on: December 12, 2015, 09:15:47 PM »
The BIGGEST problem we have (anywhere) is people not staying on topic.  

Could someone open a new thread to discuss the flaws in the government and health care in the US?