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Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« on: July 19, 2011, 09:14:05 PM »
They list it as working well to allow Amiga's to work well with modern flat panel televisions.


http://cgi.ebay.com/15Khz-RGB-CGA-Component-Video-VGA-Converter-Scaler-/260318558142?_trksid=p4340.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1459101766805676591

I'm looking to buy one of they work well.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2011, 09:14:57 PM »
If I had money for every time someone posted about them I'd be rich.

They are shite. They are only 16-bit which means you loose colours in AGA. They promote PAL screens to 60Hz which means that you loose smooth scrolling.

There are better, cheaper alternatives out there.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2011, 09:25:41 PM »
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If I had money for every time someone posted about them I'd be rich.

They are shite. They are only 16-bit which means you loose colours in AGA. They promote PAL screens to 60Hz which means that you loose smooth scrolling.

There are better, cheaper alternatives out there.


Gotta agree with that, if you want a decent convertor your gonna have to pay through the nose for one. Worth the money though if it's something you use all the time and value the best picture quality... :)

I always buy such things from Keene Electronics, quality made and built to last for years but you're looking at around £100 minimum for their basic stuff... :)

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 09:41:22 PM »
All true, but there are a few levels to the question..
Are they great devices?
As answered above, no.  You will lose some colors and you loose something in the PAL transition..
The other side of that question is how well do they work other than that?
Yes, you lose color, but how badly?
Yes, you lose smooth scrolling in PAL conversion, but you can use PAL games then?
They might still be worth it depending on what someone is looking for..

Personally, at that price tho, I doubt it..
With those short-comings, I'd still be very tempted at $50 or so...  Just to have them..

I went with an Amigamaniac SVIDEO adapter, and then an SVIDEO to VGA adapter.
Unfortunatly, the model of SVIDEO to VGA adapter I bought was bad, but there are good ones out there, and the results are pretty good I think.  Still not Indivision, but.. nothing is at that price..

And for all of that, I then got a few 1084S monitors, which I'm very happy with.

Go figure.. ;-)

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 09:43:13 PM »
More MOD Shananigans! :roflmao: Yeah, like Pyromania with his over 1100 posts doesn't know that! Even Franko fell for it! :hammer:

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They list it as working well to allow Amiga's to work well with modern flat panel televisions.


http://cgi.ebay.com/15Khz-RGB-CGA-Component-Video-VGA-Converter-Scaler-/260318558142?_trksid=p4340.m8&_trkparms=algo%3DMW%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1459101766805676591

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 09:59:14 PM »
But for just setting up a system until you get RTG up and running, I'm sure they are fine.

I'd rather have one than the rarely used 1084 on my desk.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 10:05:22 PM »
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But for just setting up a system until you get RTG up and running, I'm sure they are fine.

I'd rather have one than the rarely used 1084 on my desk.


Hey don't be badmouthin' the 1084.  I rather like it.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 10:15:14 PM »
I used this one and it works relatively good
 
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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 10:40:58 PM »
Is this becaus US tvs doesn't have scart connectors???

I've use my samsung TV ages now through scart, picture quality is really good
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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 10:45:38 PM »
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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 11:20:46 PM »
I had one of those until it died during an apartment move.

Upsides:

Its cheaper than an indivision (and you can actually buy it)
You can use a cheap off-the-shelf monitor
Its pretty decent. Certainly fine for gaming.

Downsides:

A bit of ghosting appears. In games you probably won't notice, but on workbench, it can be annoying.
I thought scrolling was fine, but occasionally it can be a tiny bit glitchy.
These are not very noticeable though.
It does NOT play nice with interlace modes at all. About half the time I try it, the picture is garbled, and half the time it looks great.

General info:
They produce a nicer picture on a CRT than on an LCD


In the end, while there might be better options, this is certainly usable and I used one daily for a year or so, without any fuss. The loss of image quality is not really that bad.

edit: and yes, no SCART in the US.
1084's are cool but they are also getting old. Considering the cost of shipping the blighters, Im not sure if its worth it.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 10:20:27 PM »
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24-bit and known to work well with classic computers.
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2011, 10:24:02 PM »
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Yes, you lose color, but how badly?
Look at the 2 images below. The first one is 24-bit, the second 16-bit. You see the banding? Perhaps you'd never notice it? I would.



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Yes, you lose smooth scrolling in PAL conversion, but you can use PAL games then?
Sure but they look rubbish.

Quote from: desiv;650669
With those short-comings, I'd still be very tempted at $50 or so...  Just to have them..
But for $34 you can use a different one which is 24-bit!
« Last Edit: July 22, 2011, 10:26:21 PM by alexh »
 

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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2011, 10:27:15 PM »
WOW! Looks like hell in 16.
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Re: Has anyone tried on of these on thier Amiga?
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2011, 10:32:15 PM »
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You see the banding? Perhaps you'd never notice it? I would.
I can see the difference, but I'm not sure it would bother me too much.
I remember using my Amiga with an A520 composite adapter...  ;-)
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But for $34 you can use a different one which is 24-bit!

Yes, that would be MUCH better!!!  :-)

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