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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #149 from previous page: December 03, 2011, 03:13:08 AM »
68060 chips are not that difficult or expensive to find, so I can't imagine too many people needing to worry about using this daughter board without an 060.  Finding the "Good" last revision 68060's that are capable of being over-clocked to 80MHz to 100MHz is harder, but I would imagine that even if you have to use one of the older, slower models of the 68060 and clock your daughter board at 50MHz or 60MHz, it will still be a good alternative to your A1200.

I already have my 68060 CPU waiting for this daughter board to become available, but it is not the last revision, so I am keeping an eye open looking for one of those, so I can run the daughter board at it's highest potential.

Edit:  I hope MikeJ and Yaqube will make the daughter board with a lot of extra RAM possible, for the few of us that would like to have >128mb of Fast RAM.  256mb, or 512mb would be nice if you are going to use the FPGA Arcade Replay to run Lightwave3D stand alone and some other RAM hungry Amiga programs.

I can't remember if MikeJ has integrated the ability to allocate more than 2mb of Chip RAM or not?  It would be nice to have 8mb or 16mb or more of Chip RAM that would allow some new larger screen resolutions with more colors, like what is planned for the Super AGA of the Natami, but the Natami has a new, faster blitter and I don't think that is available, or possible with the Replay (it's hardware does not exist except for on the Natami).
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #150 on: December 03, 2011, 03:16:25 AM »
Wow, I had completely forgotten about these boards...sound awesome..let's keep this on the first page!
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #151 on: December 03, 2011, 05:29:15 AM »
btw, when a new minimig will be available to purchase?
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #152 on: December 03, 2011, 07:10:18 AM »
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btw, when a new minimig will be available to purchase?

This thread should be changed to FPGA Arcade Replay w/060 & RTG, as I don't think it has anything to do with the original Minimig.

The new FPGA Arcade Replay boards are being finished up right now with final assembly and testing and if you want one, just contact MikeJ to see if he has not already promised all 48 of the current batch to other people.

I don't know when he will be making the next batch, or if he will be increasing the number of units that will be produced in the next batch.  It probably depends on how fast these sell and what the demand for more is.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #153 on: December 03, 2011, 01:50:06 PM »
Regarding video resolutions. It's all about the memory bandwidth, and secondarly the size of it. Its also nice if there's any free timing slots to put CPU/blitter/GFX-cpu accesses into ;)
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #154 on: December 03, 2011, 03:30:19 PM »
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68060 chips are not that difficult or expensive to find, so I can't imagine too many people needing to worry about using this daughter board without an 060.  Finding the "Good" last revision 68060's that are capable of being over-clocked to 80MHz to 100MHz is harder, but I would imagine that even if you have to use one of the older, slower models of the 68060 and clock your daughter board at 50MHz or 60MHz, it will still be a good alternative to your A1200.

Yep. 68060s are not difficult to find if you know where to look. I have a Rev 6 and an older 060 sitting around waiting for the Natami or FPGA Arcade. I could always pull my other Rev 6 from my CSMK3@75MHz too.

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Edit:  I hope MikeJ and Yaqube will make the daughter board with a lot of extra RAM possible, for the few of us that would like to have >128mb of Fast RAM.  256mb, or 512mb would be nice if you are going to use the FPGA Arcade Replay to run Lightwave3D stand alone and some other RAM hungry Amiga programs.

128 MB of fast is plenty for me. The only times I've ever run out is with a poorly behaving program or me doing something stupid with the ram disk ;). The FPGA Arcade needs to be kept affordable. The Natami is targeted for higher end and it will cost to play.

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I can't remember if MikeJ has integrated the ability to allocate more than 2mb of Chip RAM or not?  It would be nice to have 8mb or 16mb or more of Chip RAM that would allow some new larger screen resolutions with more colors, like what is planned for the Super AGA of the Natami, but the Natami has a new, faster blitter and I don't think that is available, or possible with the Replay (it's hardware does not exist except for on the Natami).

I don't know how much chip ram the FPGA Arcade will have but it should be much faster than AGA machines. The blitter should be faster too. The Natami should be faster yet.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #155 on: December 03, 2011, 03:40:55 PM »
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This thread should be changed to FPGA Arcade Replay w/060 & RTG, as I don't think it has anything to do with the original Minimig.


While this thread does seem very FPGA-Arcade centric, since that's what Yaqube and friends have to develop the AGA version of Minimig in.

But nothing to do with Minimig? It'll have a lot of the same Verliog code (or VHDL port) from the original. AGA won't change everything everywhere... (Will Paula core change? Even if it does change, will it be completely thrown out and replaced?)

Unless you think of Minimig as the board. Which I don't. I guess that both the core and the old boards have the same names. but the boards really are just FPGA boards, like FPGA-Arcade is and Terasic DE1 is, etc. The Verilog core (or a port to VHDL) is what makes them really interesting to us here.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #156 on: May 12, 2012, 07:43:21 PM »
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The new FPGA Arcade Replay boards are being finished up right now with final assembly and testing...


Any progress since 14 months here?
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #157 on: January 27, 2013, 03:00:33 PM »
I have captured a short video showing ShapeShifter running on Replay FPGA board with Minimig AGA core and 060 daughter board.

[youtube]Ug4_yh3Q288[/youtube]
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #158 on: January 27, 2013, 03:50:31 PM »
Wow that is amazingly fast compared to A1200/060.

To answer the question about the CHIP RAM, yaqube posted a video a long time ago that showed the chip ram being boosted to some large amount (over 32mb) and loading this huge bitmap and smoothly scrolling about.

This is a huge big deal because for the first time ever DPaint V might be able to run correctly.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #159 on: January 27, 2013, 04:04:32 PM »
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I have captured a short video showing ShapeShifter running on Replay FPGA board with Minimig AGA core and 060 daughter board.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #160 on: January 27, 2013, 05:36:10 PM »
Man, I would buy this if it actually becomes available.  It's just what I've always wished would be produced - a fast Classic Amiga.

Just a couple of questions:

- is there any way one could use serial or USB MIDI interfaces with this type of board?
- is there any way to attach a real Amiga keyboard to a device like this instead of a PC USB keyboard?  It would feel just right to have an actual A2000 keyboard attached.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #161 on: January 27, 2013, 06:56:21 PM »
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- is there any way one could use serial or USB MIDI interfaces with this type of board?


You can use serial port to connect to a MIDI device.

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- is there any way to attach a real Amiga keyboard to a device like this instead of a PC USB keyboard?  It would feel just right to have an actual A2000 keyboard attached.


In fact you need a PC PS/2 keyboard. To use an USB only keyboard you need an additional small interface board which Mike has just finished designing.
It's possible to implement support for real Amiga keyboard but since our human resources are very limited we hoped somebody from the community would do this.
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #162 on: January 27, 2013, 07:05:13 PM »
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You can use serial port to connect to a MIDI device.


Is the Serial Port on this device fully compatible with a real Amiga serial port and devices?
i.e. the Amiga serial Port was able to achieve true MIDI baud rates (31250Kbps) whereas the PC serial Port was "locked" into several fixed baud rates which were not compatible with MIDI.

Essentially, could I take a real Amiga serial MIDI interface and use it on this new 060 MiniMig? If so - then I almost certainly will buy one.  I would want to run Bars & Pipes and other Amiga MIDI sequencers.

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I hope someone does this. I'll be stashing away a spare A2000 keyboard just in case.
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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #163 on: January 27, 2013, 08:00:50 PM »
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I hope someone does this. I'll be stashing away a spare A2000 keyboard just in case.


It is reported (on minimig.net) that the 1.1 minimig currently will work with a real Amiga keyboard, so you know the code for this already exists.

http://www.minimig.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=519
 

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Re: Minimig AGA 060 RTG
« Reply #164 on: January 28, 2013, 04:44:00 PM »
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It is reported (on minimig.net) that the 1.1 minimig currently will work with a real Amiga keyboard, so you know the code for this already exists.

http://www.minimig.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=519


No, there is no support for real Amiga keyboards in current firmware. The person on the forum have been apparently joking. Amiga and PS/2 keyboards have  different protocols. But it should be relatively easy to add support for real Amiga keyboards (the ones dedicated to A4000 and CDTV can be connected directly).