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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #29 on: July 13, 2011, 04:49:39 AM »
@Motormouth

Sorry I'm not sure about that. I can say that it would only work in the TOP slot of my A4000D, not at all in the other 3 slots, and not at all in my A4000T. I didn't test it with the A3000D or A3000T, once I got it running reliably I left it alone!  

I do like the Janus software better than the Vortex. Some company also too the A2386SX, and removed the 386 chip and soldered a 486 in place. I think they sold a few like that but I have never seen one. Since the clip on upgrades work so well I never had the nerve to try this.
 

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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #30 on: July 13, 2011, 07:07:56 AM »
I don't know about amidcdx and the Vortex boards, but etherbridge will only work with Commodore boards as far as i know.

About ATUtilities from aminet: this package seems to be interesting but it is only in german (i have only studied english, spanish, latin and ancient greek as foreign languages at school - german would have been useful for my amiga stuff). It claims that it is a replacement software for the bridgeboards, but there is no executable amongst this bunch of files. Any idea how to use this?
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2011, 09:26:37 PM »
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Some company also too the A2386SX, and removed the 386 chip and soldered a 486 in place. I think they sold a few like that but I have never seen one. Since the clip on upgrades work so well I never had the nerve to try this.


I have that board. It's by Elite Micro Systems and it has a 486Slc at 33MHz.
I paid good money for it in 1995 and it never worked, try as I might, alas.
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #32 on: July 13, 2011, 09:31:54 PM »
I have that board. It's by Elite Micro Systems and it has a 486Slc at 33MHz.[/QUOTE]
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I paid good money for it in 1995 and it never worked, try as I might, alas.

Bogus!!!! :angry:

Was it faulty Hardware or were you having a software compatibility issue?  Maybe try the newer stuff on Aminet and cross fingers?
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #33 on: July 13, 2011, 11:06:05 PM »
Bogus isn't the word.
£350 that card cost me in 1995 - I was a student. I waited impatiently for 6 weeks for it to arrive from the States. When it finally came, I plugged it in... ran the install disk.. rebooted... "Cannot open janus.library".

That's all I ever got.

Eventually I found that it had a bad bit of dual-ported RAM, but this was after several other attempts at fixing things. I think the 74LS74 was bad too - it wasn't autoconfiguring.
My brother and I had a go at fixing the RAM by soldering in one of the other RAM chips. We didn't know in those days that the main RAM was static column, not Page Mode (we didn't know there were two types of Zip RAM!).

About 4 years ago, I finally twigged that it had had the wrong RAM in it all these years after we tried to fix it. Since that attempt I'd got hold of another A2386SX and had been switching chips to track down bad ones. One of the chips - a 74ACTQ244 - died on the operating table (lost a leg). Typically enough, this is an incredibly hard to find chip. Hence the chip socket on the board that's not filled (my '244 is in my working 2386SX).

Since those days I've managed to track down four new 41464AZ08 Zip RAM chips (that was no easy task, I can tell you).

These boards are very difficult to desolder on without lifting tracks - that's why there's lot of wires added on. Most of the wires in the photos are to make sure of bad contacts caused by IC sockets and chips where lifting the chip took the track with it.

Unfortunately no-one ever came up with a schematic... would have been more than useful.

Every now and again I take another crack at this board to try and sort it. It's more of a principle now.... even though my A2386SX is faster (it has a 486SLC2/50 on) and I have a 486SLC GoldenGate, I still want this board to work.

I really need another A2386SX for parts, so I can get a good 74ACTQ244. Incidentally, I do actually have some of those chips - but they're SMT. I bought them just in case they come in handy and I find some way of reliably soldering one into a DIP package!

My next task I feel is to remove all the IC sockets, and do a high resolution scan of both sides of the board. Then I can identify any dodgy-looking contacts and check them with the multimeter. Once that's done I can solder in known good chips to get it as close to original as possible, and try again - I have rather more experience of these things now (just completely re-capacitored my A2000 a few days ago, for example)!

By the way, don't suppose anyone has any 74ACTQ244 chips handy, do they...? :)
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #34 on: July 14, 2011, 03:27:37 AM »
@Spirantho
Aren't the zips that A2386sx the same 1Mx4 chips that the A3000 uses?

Am I seeing things, Are your zips not socketed?
Maybe mine is odd, but my bridgeboard has sockets for all the zips.

I don't know if this works, I was thinking about attempting to making one.
The following guide on aminet:
http://aminet.net/package/docs/hard/A2386_16MB
Says there is a way to make a zip to simms adapter for the A2386sx, similar to the zip to simm adapter for the A3000.
And even better is supposedly can handle 16 MB
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #35 on: July 14, 2011, 03:47:09 AM »
@spirantho:

The chip in the bottom right corner looks severely lifted on one side.  Is there  a problem with it?
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #36 on: July 14, 2011, 07:42:39 AM »
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By the way, don't suppose anyone has any 74ACTQ244 chips handy, do they...? :)


Any idea what the 'Q' stands for? 'AC' is advanced CMOS ('F' speed) and 'T' makes it TTL compatible. Ever tried a simple 'F'?
 

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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #37 on: July 14, 2011, 09:39:15 AM »
@Zac67
"Q" stands for "Quiet". Not tried a simple F, might work - if unreliably. Maybe I'll try sticking an F into my working 386.

@J-Golden
Most of the chips have been taken out and re-inserted. It's not just a seating issue. If a chip's coming out I just didn't put it fully back in again.

@Motormouth
Look more closely at the bridgeboard. :) Not all the ZIPs are socketed (wish they were)!

Going to try and source a 74F244 now... OK. Got 10 of them, will try it tomorrow in my 386.

Would be fabulous if I can get this baby running after all this time, but I'm not going to hold my breath. If anyone can help though that'd be fantastic, but I don't think there's much anyone can do over the net (unless someone has the schematics PLEASE :) )
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #38 on: July 14, 2011, 09:43:34 AM »
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Would be fabulous if I can get this baby running after all this time, but I'm not going to hold my breath. If anyone can help though that'd be fantastic, but I don't think there's much anyone can do over the net (unless someone has the schematics PLEASE :) )
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #39 on: July 14, 2011, 09:53:11 AM »
Incidentally, how many of these boards have ever been seen? I never came across another.... I guess they're pretty rare!
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #40 on: July 14, 2011, 09:58:45 AM »
A lot of Commodore bridgeboards could be find cheap on ebay about 5 years ago. I guess they have just ended up in some cellars for now as no one was interested in them until lately.
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #41 on: July 14, 2011, 10:10:16 AM »
I don't remember seeing other 486 ones though....?
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #42 on: July 14, 2011, 11:36:37 AM »
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Incidentally, how many of these boards have ever been seen? I never came across another.... I guess they're pretty rare!

Man, If  Ihad known I could use cheap PC ISA cards with them I'd have grabbed one up in a second!  It's like the poor man's Mediator!:lol:
 
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2011, 01:03:07 AM »
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Re: Zorro II or ISA Ethernet card
« Reply #44 from previous page: July 15, 2011, 08:53:02 PM »
Thanks for the encouragement. :)

Today I removed all the IC sockets, and checked all the ICs that are socketed to make sure they're good.
I found that the 74LS74 was dubious so that's gone. I also noticed several tracks not reaching the pins of the IC sockets.
I've now taken hi-res photos of the board where the sockets are, and replaced the chips.  I plugged the board in and tested the memory and everything came up as zeroes, so RAM access is still dead, but the board is autoconfiguring correctly at address $200000, and is recognised ok as an A2386SX.

I've mapped out the connections from five of the ICs now, and verified them. Next step is to check the connections of the other seven or so from the photographs. Could be a while!
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